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WendyRose

Joined: 10 Dec 2008 Location: hanam-si, seoul
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 1:09 am Post subject: Question: School paying for 100% of pension fund? |
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I was browsing these forums a few weeks ago and came across the "Pension Refund" topic. I decided to look into it a little bit and see how much I would likely have waiting for me when I leave (I'm only staying 1 year). I looked through my bank book to see how much taxes were taken out of my account and noticed that it was only 45K each check (I get paid 2.0- 2.3 each month depending on overtime). That obviously isn't 4.5%. So I called the Pension refund office. Sure enough, my school has been contributing, so no problems there. They couldn't tell me how much since I wasn't there in person.
A few weeks later I asked my adviser how much taxes were taken out of my paycheck (I've never received a pay stub). She said that the school covers all my health insurance and taxes. The only thing I pay for is lunch (45K a month).
Is this normal? Will I still get my pension refund? If it makes a difference, I work for GEPIK. My school changed the contract slightly so that they pay for my utilities, as well, so maybe this is just part of that?
Any thoughts would be nice. |
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OculisOrbis

Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:01 am Post subject: |
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Sounds strange. Pension has always given me my balance over the phone whenever I have called them. Take that number and divide by two to figure out your employer contribution. More than likely your employer is reporting your income to be in the 1 mil per month range. That way it gives the appearance they are legit and makes it less likely that you will question them if you attempt a check like you did.
Get more information and make sure, but I'll treat you to a night of drinks if your employer is actually reporting your real income and also making the correct payments on that amount....
From your description it sounds like your school is not providing you with a salary statement. It helps a lot to verify things if you get a salary statement every month from your employer that details gross pay, each deduction, and your net pay. That piece of paper, along with a copy of your contract, is good to show to pension office when explaining your true income. Pension office will take over at that point - you just have to mae up your portion of the deficit first.
Also, the amount that is being deducted is very low. It wouldn't even begin to cover tax, pension and health payments. You may not to have to pay tax, but you do have to enrolled in the health plan. Did you get your National Health Insurance card from your employer? Call NHIC and see if your enrolled in that, too. |
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WendyRose

Joined: 10 Dec 2008 Location: hanam-si, seoul
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| OculisOrbis wrote: |
Sounds strange. Pension has always given me my balance over the phone whenever I have called them. Take that number and divide by two to figure out your employer contribution. More than likely your employer is reporting your income to be in the 1 mil per month range. That way it gives the appearance they are legit and makes it less likely that you will question them if you attempt a check like you did.
Get more information and make sure, but I'll treat you to a night of drinks if your employer is actually reporting your real income and also making the correct payments on that amount....
From your description it sounds like your school is not providing you with a salary statement. It helps a lot to verify things if you get a salary statement every month from your employer that details gross pay, each deduction, and your net pay. That piece of paper, along with a copy of your contract, is good to show to pension office when explaining your true income. Pension office will take over at that point - you just have to mae up your portion of the deficit first.
Also, the amount that is being deducted is very low. It wouldn't even begin to cover tax, pension and health payments. You may not to have to pay tax, but you do have to enrolled in the health plan. Did you get your National Health Insurance card from your employer? Call NHIC and see if your enrolled in that, too. |
Thanks. I'm not sure why the pension office wouldn't disclose the amount the school was contributing.
I know that people have had a lot of bad experiences with crooked schools, etc., but I honestly don't think my school is reporting a false income number. My adviser, who is very trustworthy and a friend of mine, told me the school pays all the pension contribution and anything else "extra," including my utilities (I bring them the bill). Plus, I don't think the NHIC is that dumb -- they would catch on that I'm a PS teacher making only 1 million a month under the GEPIK program...not likely.
That 45K I had noticed turned out to only be school lunch.
Perhaps I'll call the pension office again. And yes, I have my health insurance card, though I haven't had to use it.  |
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Tobias

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| WendyRose wrote: |
Thanks. I'm not sure why the pension office wouldn't disclose the amount the school was contributing.
That 45K I had noticed turned out to only be school lunch.
Perhaps I'll call the pension office again. And yes, I have my health insurance card, though I haven't had to use it. :) |
Call the pension office in Masan and talk to the refund officer there. He'll tell you everything you want to know.
On 2.2 million per, your monthly pension contribution should be in the 85K-100K won range. Ditto for the school's obligation.
You should demand pay stubs for every month you've been there so far, and demand you get a stub on the first day of each month until the end. Those will come in handy later if there's a problem.
Is the 45K deduction mentioned in the language of the contract? That could be an illegal deduction. |
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OculisOrbis

Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| WendyRose wrote: |
I know that people have had a lot of bad experiences with crooked schools, etc., but I honestly don't think my school is reporting a false income number. My adviser, who is very trustworthy and a friend of mine, told me the school pays all the pension contribution and anything else "extra," including my utilities (I bring them the bill). Plus, I don't think the NHIC is that dumb -- they would catch on that I'm a PS teacher making only 1 million a month under the GEPIK program...not likely.
That 45K I had noticed turned out to only be school lunch.
Perhaps I'll call the pension office again. And yes, I have my health insurance card, though I haven't had to use it.  |
I didn't notice during my first reading that you were at a PS, but you should still check everything with each organization just to make sure. And get a damn pay statement!!
Your advisor being you're friend and trustworthy - if that's your assessment, I hope you're correct and not surprised later.
The NHIC/Pension office being that dumb - probably not that dumb, but just doesn't care would probably be more accurate. Why make more work for themselves?... |
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WendyRose

Joined: 10 Dec 2008 Location: hanam-si, seoul
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Tobias wrote: |
| WendyRose wrote: |
Thanks. I'm not sure why the pension office wouldn't disclose the amount the school was contributing.
That 45K I had noticed turned out to only be school lunch.
Perhaps I'll call the pension office again. And yes, I have my health insurance card, though I haven't had to use it.  |
Call the pension office in Masan and talk to the refund officer there. He'll tell you everything you want to know.
On 2.2 million per, your monthly pension contribution should be in the 85K-100K won range. Ditto for the school's obligation.
You should demand pay stubs for every month you've been there so far, and demand you get a stub on the first day of each month until the end. Those will come in handy later if there's a problem.
Is the 45K deduction mentioned in the language of the contract? That could be an illegal deduction. |
Thanks.
I'll call the pension office on Monday or Tuesday.
I had figured they ought to deduct around 85-90K a month, but that hasn't happened yet. I was asked if I wanted to receive pay stubs and I said I didn't need them. I've received a few by going to the front office and asking for one (when I transfer money to the states) and they are pretty straight forward. Salary minus the the 45k lunch fee.
I was told that all GEPIKer's have to pay for school lunch. I don't remember seeing it in the contract, but all my fellow teachers pay for it, too. And if they're paying my 100K utilities then I really don't mind.
I'll see what the pension office says regarding to the contributions. Do you have the exact number for the pension office in Masan? |
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moosehead

Joined: 05 May 2007
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:36 am Post subject: |
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first off, 45k for lunch??? what are you all being fed? sushi and wine??
there are a couple of possibilities - pension isn't always paid monthly so whatever your school has paid may not be what you might think it has been - same w/insurance, those payments are actually made quarterly -
I did work for one school that AFTER deductions were made, my salary was 2.7 so they paid everything first and then paid me - very very rare, but it does happen.
there is a likelihood they aren't reporting the correct amount, tho, so overall it does all sound quite odd but K accounting isn't always the way one would expect.
be cool about it but do explain you were mistaken, that you do need a pay statement (? like duh, yes!) and would like to know how much is being deducted for various entitites. just say you are curious, etc.
please do let us know, it is a bit odd. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:30 am Post subject: |
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1st - 45,000 won per month for 20 lunches (or so) isn't bad.
And, since that's all you're paying, it's a really good deal.
But, do keep asking questions, and eventually they'll figure out that actually you are supposed to be paying 1/2 of the pension, 1/2 of your health insurance and all of your own utilities.
Then they can deduct those amounts retroactively.
You are sure honest to want to give all that money back.  |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
1st - 45,000 won per month for 20 lunches (or so) isn't bad.
And, since that's all you're paying, it's a really good deal.
But, do keep asking questions, and eventually they'll figure out that actually you are supposed to be paying 1/2 of the pension, 1/2 of your health insurance and all of your own utilities.
Then they can deduct those amounts retroactively.
You are sure honest to want to give all that money back.  |
I would follow this advice. I was stupid and challenged my deductions. It ended up in the school researching what I was supposed to be deducted, which was a hell of lot more than I thought. It ended up all the FTs had to retroactively fork over a ton of cash for pension and health. |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| But, do keep asking questions, and eventually they'll figure out that actually you are supposed to be paying 1/2 of the pension, 1/2 of your health insurance and all of your own utilities. |
I suspect ontheway has 'hit the nail on the head' here. Because the school changed your contract to pay for utilities you should not have to pay those bills (what a nice school) ; but expect to be shelling out a large chunk of cash (or an equivalent deduction) for the NHI and pension amounts you are in arrears. |
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WendyRose

Joined: 10 Dec 2008 Location: hanam-si, seoul
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:11 am Post subject: |
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| cruisemonkey wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| But, do keep asking questions, and eventually they'll figure out that actually you are supposed to be paying 1/2 of the pension, 1/2 of your health insurance and all of your own utilities. |
I suspect ontheway has 'hit the nail on the head' here. Because the school changed your contract to pay for utilities you should not have to pay those bills (what a nice school) ; but expect to be shelling out a large chunk of cash (or an equivalent deduction) for the NHI and pension amounts you are in arrears. |
Are you saying I should not say anything or else I'll owe lots and lots o' money?
Now I'm wondering if I should even call the pension office again. |
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Tobias

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| Call the office again. Get this pension thing straightened out now. Also, get the utilities straightened out. If you neglect this, you'll end up forking over a rather large amount of money down the road when they figure out you are responsible for your utilities and your portion of the pension. Running on hopes and dreams with fingers crossed is never the best way to go. |
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WendyRose

Joined: 10 Dec 2008 Location: hanam-si, seoul
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| Tobias wrote: |
| Call the office again. Get this pension thing straightened out now. Also, get the utilities straightened out. If you neglect this, you'll end up forking over a rather large amount of money down the road when they figure out you are responsible for your utilities and your portion of the pension. Running on hopes and dreams with fingers crossed is never the best way to go. |
They literally changed the contract so it says they pay for utilities.
I'll call the pension office to see what's happening.  |
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Snowflake
Joined: 12 Dec 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Hey!
Yes it's all correct! Honestly! Which is why I found it hard to leave that school...
I got my pension statement after 2 years and they paid up everything. |
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kasain
Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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45,000 for lunch.....
I pay 3,000 for lunch a day. So it's about 66,000 a month |
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