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Pyongshin Sangja
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The Japanese were acting in national self-interest.
Ok.
Was Hitler? |
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Pyongshin Sangja
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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The Japanese were acting in national self-interest.
Ok.
Was Hitler? |
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Dan
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Location: Sunny Glendale, CA
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 12:15 am Post subject: |
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I think the point isn't that the Japanese are evil right now. But that we should not forget history and make such claims as Japanese improved the lives of the people they occupied.
Also, they still hold a thinly veiled superiority complex over Chinese, Koreans and most other Asians. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| Dan wrote: |
I think the point isn't that the Japanese are evil right now. But that we should not forget history and make such claims as Japanese improved the lives of the people they occupied.
Also, they still hold a thinly veiled superiority complex over Chinese, Koreans and most other Asians. |
No. The point is that the OP shouldn't post emotive photos that are completely without context. Such sloppiness should not go unpunished. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 4:10 am Post subject: yes |
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Yeah, that's it gwangjuboy. Punish the OP. Should we cane him/her, or just give him/her a good woodshed beating?
Sorry I couldn't resist. |
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TECO
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 4:33 am Post subject: |
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...Japanese improved the lives of the people they occupied.
Also, they still hold a thinly veiled superiority complex over Chinese, Koreans and most other Asians. |
Dan - Agreed.
I've had Taiwanese tell me they preferred the Japanese colonial government for various reasons.
And you just can't deny the overwhelming impact modern Japan has over Korea and Taiwan.
Walk outside my apartment and see the influence immediately.
Japan - Its neighbors aspire to be just like it , or so it seems. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:11 am Post subject: yes |
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Oh yeah about whoever said earlier that Japan invaded Korea to protect them from Russian invasion....maybe it's true, maybe it's not. I am not a history buff. It sure as shit does not condone an invasion.
With its rich natural resources and low population, maybe soon China or Russia or some powerful nation will take over Canada. Following that reasoning, maybe America should invade Canada and kill many innocent Canadian civilians...all in an effort to 'protect' us from other possible enemies. Oh yeah at the same time, re-teach all Canadians history with an American bias, teach us that 'colour' is wrong, 'color' is correct, it's soda, not pop, and it's about, not aboot. Use our women are sex slaves, all in the name of protection.
One day if Americans get driven out, I will expect my distant relatives to thank Americans for their kindness. After all, maybe our economy will imporve in the meantime.
disclaimer: just an example. I am not bashing americans. |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| Also, they still hold a thinly veiled superiority complex over Chinese, Koreans and most other Asians. |
How do you know this? In case you havent noticed that is not unique to Japan. Nearly all people all over asia think that their people are superior to the people next door. Go and ask a Korean if Koreans are superior to the Japanese and see what they say.
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| The Japanese were acting in national self-interest. |
Yes. Koreans have repeatedly allowed their country to be a launching point for invasions of Japan, and even participated eagerly in them. The Mongol Invasion of Japan in 1274 was launched from Korea and many Koreans were serving in the army of the Mongol (Yuan) dynasty. After favorable weather the Japanese were able to repel the Invaders but were invaded again from Korea 1281. That invasion was also repelled.
At the turn of the 20th century when the powers of Europe and America controlled most in the worlds territory through colonial policies the Japanese had legitimate fears that they might end up as a colony like China, which had a profound influence on Japan made its fall all the more shocking, or a failed state like Korea, destined to be dominated by others. The Koreans were actively courting the Russians who were at the time the enemies of Japan. So yes, Japan was acting to protect itself. The Koreans showed great inprudence in the conduct of their foreign relationships and the result was ending up as a protectorate of Japan (with the consent of the Korean king). |
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ohahakehte
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| TECO wrote: |
| I've had Taiwanese tell me they preferred the Japanese colonial government for various reasons. |
ya, theres tons of examples of that the world over. theres a tiny number of black south africans who would say they preferred the apartheid days cause "at least then the white man controlled the society with an iron fist", nevermind that blacks had no rights.
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And you just can't deny the overwhelming impact modern Japan has over Korea and Taiwan.
Walk outside my apartment and see the influence immediately.
Japan - Its neighbors aspire to be just like it , or so it seems. |
its an uncontroversial fact that japan has influenced the rest of asia. exact same could be said about the huge european influence in whats left of north american indian cultures. its a different story to say that these people wanted this influence to be there in the first place. to say the least and to understate the severity of what the victims of western civilization have lost - they lost a helluva lot more than they gained from us. the same could be said about asia under japan. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 7:09 am Post subject: Re: yes |
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| Ilsanman wrote: |
Yeah, that's it gwangjuboy. Punish the OP. Should we cane him/her, or just give him/her a good woodshed beating?
Sorry I couldn't resist. |
I advocate bondage for such offences!  |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Dan wrote: |
| Also, they still hold a thinly veiled superiority complex over Chinese, Koreans and most other Asians. |
And vice versa. So what? |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| ya, theres tons of examples of that the world over. theres a tiny number of black south africans who would say they preferred the apartheid days cause "at least then the white man controlled the society with an iron fist", nevermind that blacks had no rights. |
In twenty years people will be more objective about white rule in South Africa. I can say with certainty that had the country not been colonised it would still be a distant backwater. I don't think you could have offered a more inappropriate analogy. |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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not long ago, a few people here were talking about the Japanese Occupation of Korea in a very blase manner.... even going so far as to say that it could be seen as a beneficial period to Korean Society due modernisation and industrialisation...
umm.. yeh...
that's the very imperialistic way of thinking that decided committing the following acts would be greatfully beneficial to the Korean people (and to the Chinese)....
http://www.euflag.com/japan1.html
jack...asses |
Lets not forget the original post which started this topic. Almost all the photo's on that site are from China not Korea, and many of the photo's are outright fakes. Take this photo from that site.
Here a crying chinese baby has been left in the middle of some train tracks. Surely this proves that the Japs are evil... and yet...
This was a faked picture taken by a chinese american. They put the baby on the train tracks then blamed it on the Japanese. Why should the Japanese take the blame for "atrocities" they didnt do?
Here is the pic of the Chinese man carrying the poor baby to the train tracks.
Like I have been saying, photo's taken out of their context are meaningless.
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Like I have been saying, photo's taken out of their context are meaningless. |
I echo these sentiments. The OP obviously has no faith in his evidence because he has failed to offer any defence for his sloppiness. Maybe he was just trolling. Irrespective of his intentions, his offering has been completely undone. Strangely, he labelled those people who were prepared to draw some postive things from Japan's rule in Korea, as "jackasses". So Gyopoboy, are you prepared to withdraw those comments now that your "effort" been totally discredited? |
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ohahakehte
Joined: 24 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
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| ya, theres tons of examples of that the world over. theres a tiny number of black south africans who would say they preferred the apartheid days cause "at least then the white man controlled the society with an iron fist", nevermind that blacks had no rights. |
In twenty years people will be more objective about white rule in South Africa. I can say with certainty that had the country not been colonised it would still be a distant backwater. I don't think you could have offered a more inappropriate analogy. |
"i can say with certainty" that its an open question whether black south africans, indigenous people of the americas, inhabitants of the indian subcontinent, australian aboriginals wanted or deserved the "colonisation" (thank you for being honest about it) and "civilization" that we brought to them. as i implied with my previous post, many of the benefactors of western "civilization" are barely even alive today. most native languages in canada will likely be extinct in 20 years and native culture as it exists today isnt even a shadow of what it once was. same with australia, where less than 5 out of some 230 (!) aboriginal languages are expected to survive more than 10 years. http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=Australia
probably less than that. we needed to wipe the aboriginal tasmanians off the face of the earth to give them our wonderful "civilization." same with the beothuks of newfoundland.
i dont think your comment about "distant backwaters" could have been more inappropriate or ethically-vacuous. evidently in order to "civilize" different areas of the world, we need to "develop" them from savage "backwaters" into western societies, a process which made hitler jealous and which was his inspiration for the cleansing of the untermencshen of eastern europe. |
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