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[meangradin]

Allan Cross has this great radio show called the "ongoing history of music" and these are the albums he listed as must haves in this genre. What do you think?

In chronolgical order:

1. The Velvet Underground and Nico
2. Ziggy Stardust
3. Ramones - Ramones
4. London Calling
5. License to Ill
6. The Joshua Tree
7. The Stone Roses
8. Violator
9. Nevermind
10. OK Computer

The Beastie album surprised me, as even he said that it's not their best, but it was hugely influential. As a Mode fan, I liked the inclusion of Violator. Not their best, but it really opend up electronic music to the world. Finally, I never really thought of The Joshua Tree as alternative, especialy compared with earlier U2 albums, but go figure.

[Fishead soup]

The first album put out by The Clash was way better than London Calling.
It had high energy punk with a fussion Reggae sound. Check out Clash City Rockers, or White Riot. I would like to see at least some Buzzcocks or Stiff Little Fingers they had a lot of influence or todays music.

What about Bad Brains or the Dead Kennedy's.

[Underwaterbob]

Neutral Milk Hotel's "In the Aeroplane Over the Sea" deserves a spot somewhere on the list.

[Fishead soup]

How about some early Garage rock

The Stooges
New York Dolls
Johnny Thunders and the Heart Breakers
Richard Hell and the Voidoids.

Some Early Punk
I would also add
X ray Spex
Sham 69
The Dead Boys
The Stranglers

Some Hardcore Punk and Oi
Crass
The Exploited
Charged GBH
Bad Brains
The Circle Jerks
The Dead Kennedys.
The Damned.

[BreakfastInBed]

Big Star's third album needs to be on the list. Surprised not to see REM too.

"Alt" is a pretty tricky thing to put your finger on.

[ernie]

i really don't understand how bowie, the ramones, U2, the beastie boys, and radiohead can be grouped under the same genre, unless the genre is 'rock'. i'd like to add to the list, but i wonder what types of bands would NOT be included?

am i the only one who considers the genres 'alt-___' or 'post-___' completely ridiculous? what the hell does 'alt-rock' mean anyway? logically speaking, the only type music that definitely couldn't be considered 'alt-rock' is 'rock', but all those bands are rock bands. 'post-rock' or 'post-punk' is the worst. tell me how the damn music SOUNDS, i couldn't care less what came before it!

i guess if music journalists were capable of creating something meaningful they would be MAKING music instead of writing about it. people who write about writing about music are the worst so i'll shut up now.

[RACETRAITOR]

[Underwaterbob]

Yeah, the Velvet Underground, Bowie and the Ramones don't qualify as alt-rock under any definition I can find.

From some guy at Allmusic.com: "Like new wave before it, "alternative" is basically a meaningless term. Punk, heavy metal, funk, rap, pop, rock & roll, singer/songwriter -- everything fits under the term. Essentially, "alternative" is a catch-all for post-punk bands that appeared as new wave began to die out in 1983-84, and runs all the way into 1995, when alternative pop/rock is the mainstream."

The Velvet Underground and Nico came out in '67, nearly twenty years before the genre existed.

[Rusty Shackleford]

[RACETRAITOR]

[meangradin]

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[ernie]

i forgot to mention my disdain for the 'indie' genre as well. not the music necessarily, but the sheer lack of any descriptive meaning in the word. what does 'being in an indie band' mean other than the fact that you're not on a major label? tell me about what your band SOUNDS like. i already guessed you weren't signed to a major label.

[Pink Freud]