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Kuros
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Goku
Joined: 10 Dec 2008
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Obviously we don't want to become drones working for some overmind with no control of our lives. But having an authority IS necessary. In fact, it's almost a human instict to be led by someone or controlled. Leaders, dictators, etc... all were leaders who could tell people what to do (or by the very least convince them or force them). It's quite possible part of our natural instict as social creatures is wanting to be lead and controlled to a degree.
Most of us as teachers know that without authority, there is utter chaos. What if we took away authority in the classrooms, allowed kids to do whatever they wanted. You would some of the most obnoxious behavior, and sooner or later it would become dangerous and deadly.
An authortitave government works to protect their people through rules and enforcement. What people worry about, is that rules infringe on their rights. It's not, however, like the government is making arbitrary rules like what time you should eat dinner, or if your allowed to wear white after labor day. There are reasons and rationale to rules. Such as a curfew to protect people at night. People worry about a V for vendetta secenario but realistically, any rules that border on absurd or draconian are impossibly unenforceable because if too many people disagree, then there is no one to enforce them.
It's not like America is some free nation where you can do what you want. We have a government, we have rules, we have laws. Yes there are ways to challenge the laws and change them, admend them, but we still to a degree have an authoritative government. It's all about levels of gray. Is an American "democracy" (which is a huge misnomer because it's not) superior to a Chinese "Authoritative" government?
Look at the right to bear arms. I think many would disagree with me on this but I believe it's an antiquated law to prevent the government from taking over. And how much good has it done to have this "freedom"? Well it's made robbery, killing innocent people, school shootings, and hostage holdings a lot easier. It's especially made my "right" to kill people a lot easier.
China has a whole other set of values, culture, and system. Could you imagine having the same system of government working in America work exactly the same and as well in China? Let's completely ignore the sheer amount of people in China and size of the country and how impossible it would be to access the majority of them. Controlling a classroom of 5 is easy. Try controlling a class of 400. What are you gonna do? Give them freedom? Know what happens next? You'll be thrown out of your classroom like Jazz on the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. You HAVE to have a tight grip and you have to be authortitative otherwise people will take advantage or get out of control. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| you have to be authortitative otherwise people will take advantage or get out of control. |
I missed where anyone was saying Chan was arguing for an authoritative government. People are taking what he said as meaning an authoritarian government. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Update: I'll buy Japanese
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Chan said the problem with Chinese youth is that �they like other people�s things. They don�t like their own things.�
Young people need to spend more time developing their own style, he added.
The action hero complained that Chinese goods still have too many quality problems. He became emotional when discussing contaminated milk powder that sickened tens of thousands of Chinese babies in the past year.
Speaking fast with his voice rising, Chan said, �If I need to buy a TV, I�ll definitely buy a Japanese TV. A Chinese TV might explode.� |
Okay, so the whole Jackie Chan was just being patriotic for his Chinese movie-going public argument has just been blown out of the water.
I'd like to make a motion to consider whether Chan is just a straight-up douchebag. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:47 am Post subject: |
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Why do people give any weight at all to anything any celebrity has to say about any subject whatsoever outside of acting and filmmaking?
What exactly is J. Chan's background and expertise in Chinese cultural history and politics? |
leave politics to the experts?
your criticism of Chan is ironic: it presupposes the very point he's making, that the people ought not to govern themselves
but few label you a rabid democrat, eh Gopher?  |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:07 am Post subject: |
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It's a slap in the face to Chinese.
In todays world, Freedom/Democracy means being human. Anything Authoritarian is either evil, or 3rd world ugly.
So Jackie Chan biatch- slapped the chinese people by saying that they can't handle being free, that they need to be abused and held down to rape.
That's what is being heard from his mouth. |
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