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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Location: Robotting Around the World
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 Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:15 am Post subject: Sexting: Teen labeled as sex offender for camera phone pic |
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Sexting: The sending of nude photos via camera phones.
Teens playing around with camera phones are getting themselves in big double trouble. Teen charged as sex offender for distributing child porn. One teen kills herself when ex boyfriend forwards her pic to classmates she had sent him while they were going out together.
You can view the videos on MSN. It's worksafe, not graphic, and professionally presented. To view all the videos, just enter, "sexting," in the search box on the lower left of the window.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30308419#30224122
What is your verdict on these issues camera phones are presenting our children? What about the hardliner stance the US justice system is taking by prosecuting kids for sending pics to each other?
EDITED: Deleted other thread with all that long drawn out driveling over the keyboard. OK, people lets discuss this after you watch at least one of the news videos tonight. I hope it's not too disturbing, but I stumbled on this by accident last night and feel it should be discussed. |
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trish91198
Joined: 21 Dec 2008
Location: Jukjeon
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| My best friend teaches high school in the states, and something similar happened at her school. A girl took some naked pics on her cell for her b.f. The b.f. sent the pics to other people, and got arrested for child pornography. |
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greedy_bones
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: not quite sure anymore
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| I don't really understand the logic behind registering a child as a pedophile. Perhaps if someone took erotic pictures of a 4 year old. Someone who distributes pictures of his girlfriend who he can legally have sex with isn't a pervert so much as a jerk. |
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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Location: Robotting Around the World
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| trish91198 wrote: |
| My best friend teaches high school in the states, and something similar happened at her school. A girl took some naked pics on her cell for her b.f. The b.f. sent the pics to other people, and got arrested for child pornography. |
Yes, this is absolutely absurd how the law is handling kids sexting on their camera phones. I understand the police and parents concern of the teens pics being child porn, but it's not child porn until an adult posseses it; it's kids playing around with their camera phones with each other. And the kids should be educated and sent to their local juvinile probation officer at most; not automatically labeled as adult sex offenders.
What would you think if your teenage son or daughter were being charged as a pedophile sex offender for puppy love with another teenager via camera phone? As a parent, I would be so outraged as can be for the system to destroy my child via the legal system. You can't determine a person to be a pedo until they're an adult. I'm sure nearly all those teens getting in trouble are not pedos and will wonder the rest of their lives how and why it was allowed for their country to fail them like this. Can you imagine the social issues this is going to cause? This will cause them to turn to drugs, dropping out of school, turning to crime in frustration, and suicide. The American country system is only managing to slowly destroy America.
You can bet every American high school has many students sending pictures to each other on their phones. Are we going to prosecute 20 million teens for this and ruin their chance at life due to being labled as sex offenders?
This was written in January, but states in detail the unprecidented situation and legal case. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28679588/
Everyone including teachers, parents, and general public should be vigiliant in ensuring these pictures do not end up on the internet and only go no further than privately sent messages on teenagers phones and then deleted when teens are caught. I say prosecute only adults who are seeking and possessing these pictures and then police the internet which they already do.
Our country system is only failing us big time where it's out to disenfranchise young people and fail them from the get go instead of serving the people to be successful and happy through protecting our interests in the most harmoneous way possible. When I was 15, the police and juvinile officer falsely accused me of stealing a $10 bike. The summons was 10 pages long!!! I went to court and explained to my public defender I honestly didn't do it and he got the judge to allow me a lie detector test. A small town justice system blew tax payer money to fly a lie detector test man in on a small private plane, pay him $500 for an hour and put him up in a motel in attempt to make me a failure. I was strapped into a special chair, electrodes placed on many parts of my body, the tester man tied a big rubber band thing around my arm so tightly that it turned purple, hurt badly, and I yelled. He then called me a homosexual faggot for screaming out against this painful torture. I was outraged and told him just to ask the f*cking questions and let the machine prove my innocence. He stopped being mean and we conducted the test in 10 minutes which I was immediatly determined to have passed and cleared. At the exit was my mom and the juvinile officer standing their who had charged me. I told him to never ever mess with a good kid again as she's wrong in negatively judging and gunning to make me fail over dislike of my long hair, guitar playing, and heavy metal music. He didn't say anything and I was free to go. I wrote the newspaper (didn't publish yet I worked there as a stuffer), spoke at school, and told everyone, but nothing was done nor was anyone held accountable for these wrongs against me. That's America.
I'm appalled by the US justice system, the government, our executive leadership, and how the country system is going to hell in a handbasket due to unfettered corruptions in business, politics, and law.
What do you think should be done?
I strongly feel it's high time the American people take a stand against the country system failing our kids, families, and most citizens while socializing the rich to get richer. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Legislation out of control.
You make the kid a pariah for the rest of his life. He should do time for what he did, but forever? |
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3MB
Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
Legislation out of control.
You make the kid a pariah for the rest of his life. He should do time for what he did, but forever? |
do time for what, exactly? How is this a crime, really? Its absolutely idiotic. |
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jinks
Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Location: Formerly: Lower North Island
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| If it isn't consensual (sharing the pictures) it is criminal. It may not be a sex crime, but it probably breaches privacy legislation, doesn't it? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Robot_Teacher wrote: |
| I understand the police and parents concern of the teens pics being child porn, but it's not child porn until an adult posseses it... |
This is a highly questionable stance that is very difficult to defend from an ethical point of view and can only lead to legal confusion.
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| What would you think if your teenage son or daughter were being charged as a pedophile sex offender for puppy love with another teenager via camera phone? |
I'd think it was no worse and no better than an adult in possession of a similar picture. The idea that an adult in possession of such a picture is committing a crime but a child in possession of the exact same picture is not is an idea that would lead to an unsound and unjust legal environment.
Perhaps lowering the range in which a picture constitutes "child pornography" to 14 or 15 to make these pictures legal would be fine. Another possible alternative is to make possession of such material a crime, but not a sex crime, so that while a child (or adult) may get into trouble with the law for it, they would not have a sexual offense looming on their record indefinitely. |
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ekul
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
I'd think it was no worse and no better than an adult in possession of a similar picture. The idea that an adult in possession of such a picture is committing a crime but a child in possession of the exact same picture is not is an idea that would lead to an unsound and unjust legal environment.
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Why would it lead to an unsound and unjust legal environment? There are other crimes in the statutes that can differentiate between circumstances, why is this any different? There are even different crimes for different ages, which is why there are even such things as minors. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| ekul wrote: |
| Why would it lead to an unsound and unjust legal environment? |
Allowing children possession of material that is considered contraband for adults without a compelling reason (e.g. a medical health related reason) is unjust; it applies an uneven standard between the two groups purely to avoid criminalizing the former, not out of any necessity.
Further, allowing circulation of said contraband amongst non-adult populations while continuing to criminalize adults for possession is unsound because it creates substantially more confusion while enacting such prosecution against adults. Adults and their children often use the same computer, for instance. If the child puts naked pictures of another child on said computer, is the adult in violation of the law now? What if the adult actually has child pornography but also has a child, can said adult plead in court that the pornography is really the childs? How can you tell whose it really is if the two collaborate? Could a child legally sell such pictures to other children, given their possession of such material is now legal? It's complex, confusing, and unsound; why open our legal system up to such cases?
In short, it's just plain a bad idea. This is doubly true when there are other, more reasonable policy alterations that could solve the problem, some of which I mentioned in the post you responded to.
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| There are other crimes in the statutes that can differentiate between circumstances, why is this any different? There are even different crimes for different ages, which is why there are even such things as minors. |
Well, in some cases it is different because there are genuinely good reasons to apply more restrictive standards to minors than adults in order to protect them. In other cases, it could well be the case that the laws in question are also unjust. I hesitate to generalize too much because I'm not familiar with every single law on the books.
Can you give me an example of a case where minors are legally allowed to own a given type of contraband but adults are not? That's what's being proposed here, after all. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Let's hope this doesn't catch on here.
As for the law, this is a good reason why there should be the same laws, but a different sentencing system, for minors. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Robot_Teacher wrote: |
| I understand the police and parents concern of the teens pics being child porn, but it's not child porn until an adult posseses it... |
This is a highly questionable stance that is very difficult to defend from an ethical point of view and can only lead to legal confusion.
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| What would you think if your teenage son or daughter were being charged as a pedophile sex offender for puppy love with another teenager via camera phone? |
I'd think it was no worse and no better than an adult in possession of a similar picture. The idea that an adult in possession of such a picture is committing a crime but a child in possession of the exact same picture is not is an idea that would lead to an unsound and unjust legal environment.
Perhaps lowering the range in which a picture constitutes "child pornography" to 14 or 15 to make these pictures legal would be fine. Another possible alternative is to make possession of such material a crime, but not a sex crime, so that while a child (or adult) may get into trouble with the law for it, they would not have a sexual offense looming on their record indefinitely. |
I see it the same way as sex-
If an adult humps a teen - it's jail time.
If a teen humps a teen - it should be little to nothing. |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| it's silly. I remember being a boy of about 10, and a girl we knew pulled out her pants and underwear and showed us her woo hoo. My mate and I did the same. The only difference between now and then is the technology. Should we have been punished for that then? Of course not. Should they be punished? Of course not. They need to be educated in what the word "permanent" means; as in, once that picture of video gets loose, it's loose permanently. |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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There was a huge 'scandal' in India about a college dude who used his cell video to record his gf giving him head. Then he forwarded that to his friends and pretty soon about everyone had it.
They were expelled, that's all. |
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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Location: Robotting Around the World
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| Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:34 am Post subject: |
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Yep, I agree Yu_bum_suk with you on having a different sentencing system for minors. Travel_Zen that's how most countries handle such issues instead of fighting and destroying itself like America is doing. To make this clearer, when the whole world acts and thinks like American legal and political system, our planet will be destroyed. That's my opinion and gut instinct. I'm not against the US and I love the US of A, but it's time for change. Like reconsidering what we're doing, what our issues are, and how to effectively manage said issues. This child prosecution case is only 1 of thousands of unethical legalities allowed to work to the great fall of America. When I think of what my country is and what it's doing, I just want to weep as every day I feel grief over a huge loss that is inevitable. The Great Depression 2, Civil War 2, and the collapse of what was a beautiful concept and idea and easily could had worked wonderfully as we had it all going for us. America.
Of course teens and younger kids should be punished for misuse of their camera phones and computers, but not prosecuted so terribly bad that it ruins their lives with a permanent sex charge on their records. Kids should also be educated by teachers and parents on these issues. No, I'm not going to go to a Korean elementary 6th grade class and teach about this issue. In Korea, it's Korea's responsibility and choice on what they do. We're talking about America. America needs to make a decision soon to allow teachers to teach sex edu and technology ethics without fear of legal ramifications or loss of job and stop prosecuting kids with adult child sex offender charges NOW, but swiftly deal with offenders on a local level.
Could you imagine 2 teens caught having sex being banned in Boston for the rest of their lives and not able to ever get a job on account of the child sex charges permanently on their records and how they have to register as a child sex offender every where they move to? That's exactly what this is, except it's camera phone flirting. |
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