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bacasper



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for the jab, but come on, is that really an improvement?

I see it is about his prior film, Endgame, but I never watched so I can't say.

Is there anything from current film that you can debunk (in nice paragraphs, please)?

Regarding the Bilderberg meetings, he claimed to have had a source who has attended for several years. Are you saying he is lying about that?
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ubermenzch



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Sorry for the jab, but come on, is that really an improvement?

I see it is about his prior film, Endgame, but I never watched so I can't say.

Is there anything from current film that you can debunk (in nice paragraphs, please)?

Regarding the Bilderberg meetings, he claimed to have had a source who has attended for several years. Are you saying he is lying about that?

endgame can be watched on youtube quite easily. and i am not saying he is lying. how can i know whether he has some source who attends the meetings. but if its the guy he points to in endgame, then i have serious doubts. and i think it wise to view anything jones says as suspect, his documentaries etc. are full of errors. i've kindly provided you with a few examples, but you seem happy to ignore them, hinting that it might be due to the offensive nature of my paragraph-structure. I suspect it has more to do with the fact that you are intellectually lazy, and are not really looking for a serious argument.
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Gimpokid



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watch "Endgame" before you champion any of this man's work. He is a sensationalist of the highest order and very very weird. (Not to mention a smarmy blow hard)
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ubermenzch wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Sorry for the jab, but come on, is that really an improvement?

I see it is about his prior film, Endgame, but I never watched so I can't say.

Is there anything from current film that you can debunk (in nice paragraphs, please)?

Regarding the Bilderberg meetings, he claimed to have had a source who has attended for several years. Are you saying he is lying about that?

endgame can be watched on youtube quite easily. and i am not saying he is lying. how can i know whether he has some source who attends the meetings. but if its the guy he points to in endgame, then i have serious doubts. and i think it wise to view anything jones says as suspect, his documentaries etc. are full of errors. i've kindly provided you with a few examples, but you seem happy to ignore them, hinting that it might be due to the offensive nature of my paragraph-structure. I suspect it has more to do with the fact that you are intellectually lazy, and are not really looking for a serious argument.

Even if I do watch Endgame, I am not going to base my opinion of The Obama Deception on it.

uber, you may well have some good argument buried in that jungle of jumble, but without proper paragraphs, skipped lines, capitalization, etc., I am going to be lexically "lazy" and not expend my time and strain my eyes trudging through that. I teach writing and have done copyediting. You are lucky you are not in my class. But if you want to be taken seriously you will have to show some respect for your readers and provide at least a modicum of organization.

Anyway, in my skimming I saw your comment about the Bilderberg source to which I have responded. I couldn't make out anything else from TOD.
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Gimpokid



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:

Even if I do watch Endgame, I am not going to base my opinion of The Obama Deception on it.
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I know you're trying to be a good critical thinker, but you wouldn't have much of choice because "Obama Deception" is basically a suplement to "Endgame" with many of the extra insane elements of Jones' beliefs omitted in order to appeal to a wider audience.
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ubermenzch



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
ubermenzch wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Sorry for the jab, but come on, is that really an improvement?

I see it is about his prior film, Endgame, but I never watched so I can't say.

Is there anything from current film that you can debunk (in nice paragraphs, please)?

Regarding the Bilderberg meetings, he claimed to have had a source who has attended for several years. Are you saying he is lying about that?

endgame can be watched on youtube quite easily. and i am not saying he is lying. how can i know whether he has some source who attends the meetings. but if its the guy he points to in endgame, then i have serious doubts. and i think it wise to view anything jones says as suspect, his documentaries etc. are full of errors. i've kindly provided you with a few examples, but you seem happy to ignore them, hinting that it might be due to the offensive nature of my paragraph-structure. I suspect it has more to do with the fact that you are intellectually lazy, and are not really looking for a serious argument.

Even if I do watch Endgame, I am not going to base my opinion of The Obama Deception on it.

uber, you may well have some good argument buried in that jungle of jumble, but without proper paragraphs, skipped lines, capitalization, etc., I am going to be lexically "lazy" and not expend my time and strain my eyes trudging through that. I teach writing and have done copyediting. You are lucky you are not in my class. But if you want to be taken seriously you will have to show some respect for your readers and provide at least a modicum of organization.

Anyway, in my skimming I saw your comment about the Bilderberg source to which I have responded. I couldn't make out anything else from TOD.

intellectual laziness. first the excuse was that the examples i provided were about canada, and you complained that i should find something american. then i found examples from "endgame" and you say you won't read it (i suspect you have and have been scared off) because i don't have proper paragraphs or capitalizations. again i say, INTELLECTUAL LAZINESS. you have obviously already made up your mind about alex jones and are loathe to change it, no matter what the evidence.
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ubermenzch



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh and because i'm such an accomodating fellow, here's some easier to read examples from my apparent jumble;

As evidence that the American bankers and robber barons were partial to the national socialist way to globalization in the 1930's, he points to a Major General Smedley Butler who "went public in 1934 exposing an attempt by the robber barons to launch a military overthrow of the United States. The war hero testified to the McCormick-Dickstein commitee in congress that some of the most powerful men in America had tried to recruit him to lead a military coup so they could set up national socialism in the United States." Reading the history of this episode is quite interesting, but what is known is not conclusive enough for Jones to use it to make such sweeping assumptions.

He also claims that fascism had made deep inroads in England, pointing to the abdication of Edward the 8th because of his support for Hitler as evidence of this (in reality he adbicated so he could marry some woman, a marriage that for reasons I won't go into here would have been morally unacceptable for a king).

He provides us with only these two examples to help make the argument that the U.S. and England were either being run by secret globalizing fascists or on the verge of being so in the run-up to WWII. These two examples and nothing else. And that's pretty much his style for all of his work, giving us wild opinion and backing it up with next to nothing.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gimpokid wrote:
bacasper wrote:

Even if I do watch Endgame, I am not going to base my opinion of The Obama Deception on it.
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I know you're trying to be a good critical thinker, but you wouldn't have much of choice because "Obama Deception" is basically a suplement to "Endgame" with many of the extra insane elements of Jones' beliefs omitted in order to appeal to a wider audience.

Have you considered the possibility that Jones has jettisoned some of his "extra insane elements" as he develops as a filmmaker? I mean, people are allowed to refine their POVs and accommodate new information, right?
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Gimpokid



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I considered it for a little less than a nano second, but dismissed the notion because Jones is still on the radio ranting like a lunatic at anyone who can bear to be in the same studio with him.
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