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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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The R's will be downplaying it because it very well is a big victory for the Dems. If Toomey get's nominated to run against Specter, he'll be creamed just like Casey creamed Santorum. Anyone they nominate will.
PA will no longer be a swing state. Pennsylvanian's LIKE Arlen Specter, R's and D's alike, because he's always worked for the people. Ever since he was a Philly DA. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| So Ya-ta, just to be clear.. You're in favour of this? |
 Schadenfreude goes a long way in my little world.
I've been walking on air all morning. It wasn't enough that my boss (the one with the cockamamie hiring plan) got fired last week for bribery; that improved my mood somewhat, but today's news is even better. In a two party system, one man's gain is the other's loss. Specter will continue to be the independent he always was.
I figure the man is 79. He gets re-elected next year as a Democrat and the Democratic governor gets to appoint a much younger Democrat to replace the aging/ailing Specter. The good guys win again.
Kuros is only partly right. I don't need to paint this as a Democratic win; it isn't. It's a Republican loss.
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Once they do have 60 seats what are their options? Ive read that they could pretty much just take over all the committees and shut the republicans out of any decision making. In essence screwing them over. If hat is so, I think they should do it. Marginalize the GOP.
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The Democrats already control all the committee chairmanships because they are the majority party. As long as they have under 60 votes, the Republicans can threaten to fillibuster any bill, thus stymying legislation and presidential appointments. Specter makes #59 and Franken will be #60, thus killing the Republican ability to fillibuster--as long as the Dems can muster all 60 on a given bill. They won't always be able to do it because there are various factions within the Democratic Party--the big tent party--that won't always agree. The real political action will be within the Democratic Party as bills are put together. The Republicans will just sit on the sidelines and watch, unless Obama insists on including them and unless they start coming up with actual real constructive ideas. Just saying no is not any more effective now than it was under Nancy Reagan's drug and sex policy. |
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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Kuros is only partly right. I don't need to paint this as a Democratic win; it isn't. It's a Republican loss. |
agreed. i've been laughing since i read the headlines this morning. i'd love to have been sitting in on the meetings of the republican leadership today. they've only themselves to blame for one disaster after another.
david brooks compares them to the british conservatives who took so long to learn from their mistakes and move on. another two presidential election cycles to go down in defeat after defeat, he says. the way things are going, i wouldn't doubt it. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Schadenfreude goes a long way in my little world.
I've been walking on air all morning. It wasn't enough that my boss (the one with the cockamamie hiring plan) got fired last week for bribery; |
That must feel frikkin' awesome.
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| It's a Republican loss. |
No doubt. The Republicans are so fringe and marginalized that not even the center will dare consort with them.
Check out Douthat's debut NYTimes article. It pretty much bemoans the fact that it was McCain the reformer who had to go down in flames bearing the GOP standard.
And just how fringe is the GOP? I wonder if there were a single number that could express how fringe it is. Oh, there is?
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mole
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Good for him.
Where do the philosophical defectors go though?
And Ron Paulists?
With the Bush legacy and Rush, who will ever take Republicans seriously? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| mole wrote: |
Where do the philosophical defectors go though?
And Ron Paulists?
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Most current Republicans would probably find either the Libertarian or Constitution Parties to be a very nice fit. |
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rollo
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Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| That Specter who could hardly be called a liberal felt his party was too right wing says a lot about what is going on as continue in their death spiral. It is time for a new party !!! Ther should be an honest opposition and the Republicans just dont do that anymore. Palin /Limbaugh leadership has doomed the REpubs. I look for the formation of a new paty as early as this fall!! Just who do the Republicans represent? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| It is time for a new party !!! Ther should be an honest opposition and the Republicans just dont do that anymore. |
Rachel Maddow interviews former Senator Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island who talks about a new party (at 5:30) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#30464971
If I get a vote, and I should since I've been saying the chance for a new party is real for some time now, the new party name should be the WHIG Party.
Keith Olbermann interviews Chris Mathews who has some surprisingly negative things to say about this whole deal (at 6:25)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677#30464440 |
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Marc Ravalomanana
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| This man is the Judas to Rush Limbaugh's Jesus. |
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fiveeagles
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Fox
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fiveeagles
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fiveeagles
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fiveeagles
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lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Hurray for Arlen 
The real debates will now go on entirely within the Democratic caucus before bills go to the floor for passage. If the Senate leadership can craft compromises successfully, the Party of No will be entirely powerless. There are consequences to being obstructionist and the GOP has just learned that cost.
PS: C'mon Minnesota Supreme Court. Hurry up! |
You are an idiot. He never was a real Republican. The reason he left was because he would not have won his nomination. |
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