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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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My school allows me to use all of my sick days (as holidays, or however I want) just to let you know.
Bet that gets under your skin, huh Bogey?
Keep plugging away. You're making us all sparkle. Oooh, I feel giddy. |
no if your school treats them as vacation days and not sick days, more power to you.
doesn't get under my skin at all. I don't whine at other people's advantages, luck or happiness.
I only concern myself with things I have control over. |
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Whistleblower
Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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I took one day off sick from my entire 3 years and 4 months of being in Korea. I had tonsillitus (sp.???), went to work and about lunch time the pain was unbearable, requested to be off for the rest of the day and they were incredibly supportive.
So far, I have been at my school in the UK for 2 months nearly 3 and the teachers are off sick every month (I kid you not). It is the same staff sick and I have to cover their classes last minute (not that I care) but some people either decide to use their sick days as duvet days or for legitimate reasons. Those that are lazy will remain in their jobs, those that graft and make an effort will be rewarded (my own philosophy).
I work hard (have 2 jobs nearly 3 in the UK), don't take time off sick and try to do my best and why? To get my son into a private school, buy my house and sportscar (with a low mortgage), buy that nice computer I have always wanted (currently building an i7 desktop gaming PC) and treat the wife from time to time.
If you wish to take time off sick, you are welcome to but don't expect everything you want. |
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sinsanri
Joined: 20 Apr 2009
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I'm entitled to whatever I feel I'm entitled to. What I'm entitled to has absolutely nothing to do with you.
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No you are not. It is opbvious that 1. you are a problem foreigner who likes to give others a bad name or 2. you are just posting to flame bogey.
Sick days are as he says and are not vacation days. The fact the school treats them as such shows that they do not know what they are for either and you are taking advantage of people's ignorance which makes your character less than desirable..
In reading your posts it is also very clear you are a very selfish person who would screw over anyone given the opportunity. But that is just from your posts, I hope you teach and treat your students a lot better than you treat the school and other posters. (to counteract the image you are creating here). |
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Tokki1
Joined: 14 May 2007
Location: The gap between the Korean superiority and inferiority complex
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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I'm entitled to whatever I feel I'm entitled to. What I'm entitled to has absolutely nothing to do with you.
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No you are not. It is opbvious that 1. you are a problem foreigner who likes to give others a bad name or 2. you are just posting to flame bogey.
Sick days are as he says and are not vacation days. The fact the school treats them as such shows that they do not know what they are for either and you are taking advantage of people's ignorance which makes your character less than desirable..
In reading your posts it is also very clear you are a very selfish person who would screw over anyone given the opportunity. But that is just from your posts, I hope you teach and treat your students a lot better than you treat the school and other posters. (to counteract the image you are creating here). |
LOL. I am so done with this thread.
Tell you what. You're absolutely right. How dare I?
Koreans, in business, are absolutely selfless--giving all benefits possible to their employees. Their number one concern? High moral standards.
No teacher has EVER been screwed over here. The public announcements made by the United States and Canada declaring Korea a 'dangerous place to teach' is clearly wrong.
The 10 million won stolen from me over the years and the countless friends I've seen witness every scam in the book here are imaginary, and taking sick days renders me a selfish individual who is unfit to teach.
Give me a contract with sick days and I will take every single one.
I'll take every f'ing thing I can from a legit contract in this country.
You go ahead and preach the gospel in this land of fairness and generosity.
Goodbye.
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harlowethrombey
Joined: 17 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul
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I'm just reading this thread to see if I can find the FT who takes off random mondays at his school because he wants a 3 day weekend. My friend, a korean teacher, says this happens about twice a month and twice a month the other teachers have to cover a class with no lesson plan.
It's unprofessional and it gives other FTs a bad name. |
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andrew
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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sinsanri
Joined: 20 Apr 2009
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Koreans, in business, are absolutely selfless--giving all benefits possible to their employees. Their number one concern? High moral standards.
No teacher has EVER been screwed over here. The public announcements made by the United States and Canada declaring Korea a 'dangerous place to teach' is clearly wrong.
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This is the kind of attitude that bothers me about foreigners in korea. They think that koreans are the only ones to do such things and forget that western employers are worse. why don't you ask the chinese immigrants how their families felt being put to forced labor building the railroads for very little reward and no sick days.
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The 10 million won stolen from me over the years and the countless friends I've seen witness every scam in the book here are imaginary, and taking sick days renders me a selfish individual who is unfit to teach.
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if it is this bad, why are you still here?
Actually it is your attitude in your posts that makes me think you are unfit to teach. Your job is to teach NOT take sick days. |
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Tokki1
Joined: 14 May 2007
Location: The gap between the Korean superiority and inferiority complex
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just reading this thread to see if I can find the FT who takes off random mondays at his school because he wants a 3 day weekend. My friend, a korean teacher, says this happens about twice a month and twice a month the other teachers have to cover a class with no lesson plan.
It's unprofessional and it gives other FTs a bad name. |
I sure hope you find this shady character....sounds like this teacher is really giving foreign ESL teachers a bad reputation!!!!!
Personally, I've been combing through the threads here trying to find Korean schools which:
-draw up ambiguous and deceptive contracts designed to ensnare potential newbie ESL instructors into hellish working conditions
-don't adhere to contracts, as agreed upon between employer and employee
-cheat on taxes by either charging the wrong rates, banking taxed income or simply not taking deductions
-don't provide medical insurance and/or steal medical insurance deductions
-don't pay into the Korean National Pension Plan and/or bank these deductions for personal profit
-refuse to pay out bonuses
-fire teachers for no reason--especially before contracts are up so as to not provide bonuses
-pay their employees late
-do not paying their employees at all
-provide their teachers with substandard housing
-refuse to pay overtime
-double/triple bill for utilities
-double/triple bill for anything
-falsify pay stubs with any of the above, including invisible deductions
-force teachers to work when they're sick
-use fear, manipulation and harassment to 'motivate' employees--including physical intimidation
-threaten employees or concoct flat out lies in order to cheat employees out of hard-earned money
-illegally withhold vital documents like original university degrees, passports etc...
-stagger holidays so as to not give employees blocks of vacation as agreed upon
-the list could go on forever
Can you point me in the right direction? Oh, wait a second...I only have to glance at the forums to find millions of threads and posts on schools like this....hmmm....
Good luck finding that teacher who takes the odd Monday off! Keep up the good fight! 
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Tokki1
Joined: 14 May 2007
Location: The gap between the Korean superiority and inferiority complex
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Koreans, in business, are absolutely selfless--giving all benefits possible to their employees. Their number one concern? High moral standards.
No teacher has EVER been screwed over here. The public announcements made by the United States and Canada declaring Korea a 'dangerous place to teach' is clearly wrong.
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This is the kind of attitude that bothers me about foreigners in korea. They think that koreans are the only ones to do such things and forget that western employers are worse. why don't you ask the chinese immigrants how their families felt being put to forced labor building the railroads for very little reward and no sick days.
So...you're comparing the building of the railroads...to teaching in Korea in 2009? Wow, you've really got me there! *runs off to interview Chinese families*
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The 10 million won stolen from me over the years and the countless friends I've seen witness every scam in the book here are imaginary, and taking sick days renders me a selfish individual who is unfit to teach.
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if it is this bad, why are you still here?
Because I have a cushy ps job where I can take sick days. LOL.
Actually it is your attitude in your posts that makes me think you are unfit to teach. Your job is to teach NOT take sick days.
You're right! My job is to teach, and play around on Facebook. I take sick days though! Sparkling!!!!***** |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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I took one day off sick from my entire 3 years and 4 months of being in Korea. I had tonsillitus (sp.???), went to work and about lunch time the pain was unbearable, requested to be off for the rest of the day and they were incredibly supportive.
So far, I have been at my school in the UK for 2 months nearly 3 and the teachers are off sick every month (I kid you not). It is the same staff sick and I have to cover their classes last minute (not that I care) but some people either decide to use their sick days as duvet days or for legitimate reasons. Those that are lazy will remain in their jobs, those that graft and make an effort will be rewarded (my own philosophy).
I work hard (have 2 jobs nearly 3 in the UK), don't take time off sick and try to do my best and why? To get my son into a private school, buy my house and sportscar (with a low mortgage), buy that nice computer I have always wanted (currently building an i7 desktop gaming PC) and treat the wife from time to time.
If you wish to take time off sick, you are welcome to but don't expect everything you want. |
People who never get sick are sick. They never slow down enough to get sick. These are the type of people that get really sick later in life or just one day have a heart attack.
Colds and flu are how the body cleans itself out and they are natural to have once in a while. People who run on adranaline tend to get sick very little because the body adapts the abilty to soldier on.
Don't be fooled by the person that brags about never getting sick as the get the the biggies like cancer and stuff. The people that get a little sick once in awhile are a lot healthier.
People who not afraid to take a sickie when their body says to are a lot healthier on many levels than the person that works at all costs. Just look at the korean way of being addicted to workand do the opposite and you should be fine.
Koreans have been conditioned to put aside their personal health for the greater whole. This is a very sick way to think. |
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Zulethe
Joined: 04 Jul 2008
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I have one school that treats me like shite. When I used to say hello to the V.P. in the morning, he wouldn't even look at me. He'd make this sort of grunting sound. The same V.P. who yesterday took a shit in the toilet and then didn't flush the toilet (what a freaking animal).
Oh, no I didn't go in to look, I needed some tissue to blow my nose.
I'm taking a bunch of sick days at that school.
The other school treats me great, so I'll go to work no matter what condition I'm in.
Bottom line, it depends on how they treat you. If your school has been great to you and yet you abuse sick leave, then I think you should revisit your priorities. If you have a shite school or class for that matter, I say F...em! |
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harlowethrombey
Joined: 17 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just reading this thread to see if I can find the FT who takes off random mondays at his school because he wants a 3 day weekend. My friend, a korean teacher, says this happens about twice a month and twice a month the other teachers have to cover a class with no lesson plan.
It's unprofessional and it gives other FTs a bad name. |
I sure hope you find this shady character....sounds like this teacher is really giving foreign ESL teachers a bad reputation!!!!!
Personally, I've been combing through the threads here trying to find Korean schools which:
-draw up ambiguous and deceptive contracts designed to ensnare potential newbie ESL instructors into hellish working conditions
-don't adhere to contracts, as agreed upon between employer and employee
-cheat on taxes by either charging the wrong rates, banking taxed income or simply not taking deductions
-don't provide medical insurance and/or steal medical insurance deductions
-don't pay into the Korean National Pension Plan and/or bank these deductions for personal profit
-refuse to pay out bonuses
-fire teachers for no reason--especially before contracts are up so as to not provide bonuses
-pay their employees late
-do not paying their employees at all
-provide their teachers with substandard housing
-refuse to pay overtime
-double/triple bill for utilities
-double/triple bill for anything
-falsify pay stubs with any of the above, including invisible deductions
-force teachers to work when they're sick
-use fear, manipulation and harassment to 'motivate' employees--including physical intimidation
-threaten employees or concoct flat out lies in order to cheat employees out of hard-earned money
-illegally withhold vital documents like original university degrees, passports etc...
-stagger holidays so as to not give employees blocks of vacation as agreed upon
-the list could go on forever
Can you point me in the right direction? Oh, wait a second...I only have to glance at the forums to find millions of threads and posts on schools like this....hmmm....
Good luck finding that teacher who takes the odd Monday off! Keep up the good fight! |
Wow. You still live in Korea? Are you a sado-masochist? If you hate it so much you know your country might still take you back. . .
Yeah I am curious who this lazy foreigner is because he represents other FT teachers to all of his coworkers and students. I've never said that there arent a load of shady dealings that happen in Korea but I dont think one cancels out the other.
And I think thou doth protest too much. Are you in Korea because businesses back home wont put up with your 'I'm entitled' sh*t? Please, go work for a company in the west and announce to your boss what you're entitled to. Most companies love it when you take your 10 days paid vacation and 10 sick days every year. They always keep those workers around and your coworkers will never grumble about always having to pick up the slack for the one guy that is 'entitled' to longer vacations.
You seem. . . yeah. . .  |
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raja
Joined: 02 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Sick days are meant for serious illness.
Like you cannot move, your head spins, anything that would render you incapable of teaching. A cough, a sniffle, a slight fever,
you still come in.
But it seems like you understand already given by the way your actions dictated it. I say, for the most part you handled it quite well.
I don't think they lost respect, rather they are irked with the extra workload. Not many people like idea of picking up slack so they are probably irrate at the situation. But give it time, they will probably forgive you.
One possible way you could have done it was to give a "silent class". Passed out worksheets so you don't have to focus on lecutring or speaking. That way you could still be working without actually doing any work. It's ok. Normal teachers give their students study time so it's perfectly acceptable too.
It's quite ironic because before I read this post I just talked to a teacher about her voice. She can barely speak so I felt bad and asked her how she managed to do her classes. She gave out silent assignments and just checked them.
Just a trump card you can hold if the situation presents itself again.
Don't worry about the respect. This situation, although unusual for a K-teacher, is easily forgotten.
If you want to "regain" respect you could always show your grattitude to the teachers by buying some fruits and sharing it with them. |
LOL, hilarious.
Yep, one thing I've learned in eight years in Korea is to be completely honest at all times!!!! Stick around long enough and your attitude will change. It's got to. Heh...
I feel sorry for your sick co-teacher. Aw, that's too bad... As for myself and my sick days, my school is pretty much used to it. So much, in fact, that they even give me special 'sick day vacations' when I appear too stressed. Mmmm...I think I was sick for...one??? of the days I've taken off? Not sure. Don't care! As stated in my contract, I do not need a reason unless I miss 7 consecutive days.
I can list you a million ways I've been exploited here.
Oh, and my school has offered me a third year renewal. Maybe I'll ask for more sick days.
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Here's a thought - You are a lazy wan*er. |
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Tokki1
Joined: 14 May 2007
Location: The gap between the Korean superiority and inferiority complex
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Tokki1 wrote: |
| harlowethrombey wrote: |
I'm just reading this thread to see if I can find the FT who takes off random mondays at his school because he wants a 3 day weekend. My friend, a korean teacher, says this happens about twice a month and twice a month the other teachers have to cover a class with no lesson plan.
It's unprofessional and it gives other FTs a bad name. |
I sure hope you find this shady character....sounds like this teacher is really giving foreign ESL teachers a bad reputation!!!!!
Personally, I've been combing through the threads here trying to find Korean schools which:
-draw up ambiguous and deceptive contracts designed to ensnare potential newbie ESL instructors into hellish working conditions
-don't adhere to contracts, as agreed upon between employer and employee
-cheat on taxes by either charging the wrong rates, banking taxed income or simply not taking deductions
-don't provide medical insurance and/or steal medical insurance deductions
-don't pay into the Korean National Pension Plan and/or bank these deductions for personal profit
-refuse to pay out bonuses
-fire teachers for no reason--especially before contracts are up so as to not provide bonuses
-pay their employees late
-do not paying their employees at all
-provide their teachers with substandard housing
-refuse to pay overtime
-double/triple bill for utilities
-double/triple bill for anything
-falsify pay stubs with any of the above, including invisible deductions
-force teachers to work when they're sick
-use fear, manipulation and harassment to 'motivate' employees--including physical intimidation
-threaten employees or concoct flat out lies in order to cheat employees out of hard-earned money
-illegally withhold vital documents like original university degrees, passports etc...
-stagger holidays so as to not give employees blocks of vacation as agreed upon
-the list could go on forever
Can you point me in the right direction? Oh, wait a second...I only have to glance at the forums to find millions of threads and posts on schools like this....hmmm....
Good luck finding that teacher who takes the odd Monday off! Keep up the good fight! |
Wow. You still live in Korea? Are you a sado-masochist? If you hate it so much you know your country might still take you back. . .
Yeah I am curious who this lazy foreigner is because he represents other FT teachers to all of his coworkers and students. I've never said that there arent a load of shady dealings that happen in Korea but I dont think one cancels out the other.
And I think thou doth protest too much. Are you in Korea because businesses back home wont put up with your 'I'm entitled' sh*t? Please, go work for a company in the west and announce to your boss what you're entitled to. Most companies love it when you take your 10 days paid vacation and 10 sick days every year. They always keep those workers around and your coworkers will never grumble about always having to pick up the slack for the one guy that is 'entitled' to longer vacations.
You seem. . . yeah. . . |
Nah dude, I'm good!
Was just making a point to the holy warrior of Eengleeshee Teachee.
Have a nice day! |
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Tokki1
Joined: 14 May 2007
Location: The gap between the Korean superiority and inferiority complex
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Goku wrote: |
Sick days are meant for serious illness.
Like you cannot move, your head spins, anything that would render you incapable of teaching. A cough, a sniffle, a slight fever,
you still come in.
But it seems like you understand already given by the way your actions dictated it. I say, for the most part you handled it quite well.
I don't think they lost respect, rather they are irked with the extra workload. Not many people like idea of picking up slack so they are probably irrate at the situation. But give it time, they will probably forgive you.
One possible way you could have done it was to give a "silent class". Passed out worksheets so you don't have to focus on lecutring or speaking. That way you could still be working without actually doing any work. It's ok. Normal teachers give their students study time so it's perfectly acceptable too.
It's quite ironic because before I read this post I just talked to a teacher about her voice. She can barely speak so I felt bad and asked her how she managed to do her classes. She gave out silent assignments and just checked them.
Just a trump card you can hold if the situation presents itself again.
Don't worry about the respect. This situation, although unusual for a K-teacher, is easily forgotten.
If you want to "regain" respect you could always show your grattitude to the teachers by buying some fruits and sharing it with them. |
LOL, hilarious.
Yep, one thing I've learned in eight years in Korea is to be completely honest at all times!!!! Stick around long enough and your attitude will change. It's got to. Heh...
I feel sorry for your sick co-teacher. Aw, that's too bad... As for myself and my sick days, my school is pretty much used to it. So much, in fact, that they even give me special 'sick day vacations' when I appear too stressed. Mmmm...I think I was sick for...one??? of the days I've taken off? Not sure. Don't care! As stated in my contract, I do not need a reason unless I miss 7 consecutive days.
I can list you a million ways I've been exploited here.
Oh, and my school has offered me a third year renewal. Maybe I'll ask for more sick days.
Thoughts? |
Here's a thought - You are a lazy wan*er. |
Oh, no doubt about that!! I'm not going to argue with you there!!!
Pay me for doing nothing and I certainly won't complain! |
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