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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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 Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:58 pm Post subject: GLAD TO SEE OBAMA HAS BETTER GRIP ON THINGS THAN BUSH |
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I'm sure relieved to see that Obama has such a better grip on affairs of state than George W. Bush.
I mean, a genius move flying Air Force One at low altitude over the Manhattan skyline, not informing Mayor Bloomberg on his direct line or caring whether bystanders might panic. Brilliant.
And using the turncoat episode of that political opportunist Spector the Defector to bolster the Pennsylvannia Senator's claim that he had mostly principles in mind when he made the switch (never mind that he would have been creamed in the next party primary).
A potential flu epidemic on our hands and he's just now getting a HHS Secretary on board; still no undersecretaries there and in several other departments. But then they have to pass the Messiah's purity test now.
Oh, that gem of a pregnant pause in his speech to the scientists in which he jumps ahead of his teleprompter and hasn't a clue what to say next. Of course, only Fox News gave this any air time but you can bet your sweet ass that if it had been Bush they would have milked it for all its worth.
And several days ago a drone killed a group of militants in northwestern Pakistan along with some confirmed civilian deaths. Nary a word of protest from the liberal press but, again, this always drew the wrath of the Left on Bush's watch. The hyprocisy and sucking up is breathtaking, really.
Or giving the green light to Holder to release memos as a kind of purging of the blackened soul of State. Yeah, that's really "looking forward," Barack.
Then in the press conference yesterday he insists he's taking the moral high road by deauthorizing waterboarding and that this will take a recruitment ploy away from Al-Qaeda. Talk about naivete on his part. Does he really think terrorists rationalize about what they're plotting to do next? And releasing the CIA memos and photos of very isolated instances of "torture" in Iraq doesn't fan the flames of Muslim extremism? Please, spare us the sermon, Reverend Obama. He's sounding more and more like his mentor, Jeremiah Wright, every day.
I tried to give Obama the benefit of the doubt but it's turning to more doubt as time goes on.
If Obama continues to hold up the White House as the moral compass of the nation--even to the detriment of former presidents--it will come back to haunt him, and deservedly so. Being righteous isn't the same thing as being sanctimonious.
So when do you think the mainstream media will get over its love affair with Obamadrama? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:05 am Post subject: Re: GLAD TO SEE OBAMA HAS BETTER GRIP ON THINGS THAN BUSH |
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| ManintheMiddle wrote: |
I mean, a genius move flying Air Force One at low altitude over the Manhattan skyline, not informing Mayor Bloomberg on his direct line or caring whether bystanders might panic. Brilliant.
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Obama wasn't privy to this decision. And as for New Yorkers, well, they need to get a grip. |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Kuros:
Evidently, you're correct, he wasn't privy. And that is precisely the problem. You see, on a certain level I don't give a rat's ass, but I'm sick and tired of the blatant double standard shown by the press. Had this happened on Bush's watch, he would have been excoriated. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| I'm sick and tired of the blatant double standard shown by the press. |
Why would you expect unbiased reporting from organizations with political agendas? |
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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| ManintheMiddle wrote: |
| Had this happened on Bush's watch, he would have been excoriated. |
it's still very early. instead of comparing this to the way the press reacted to bush misteps later in his term, when things went really bad, shouldn't you be looking at bush's first 100 days? thinking back, i don't recall the press being all that hostile (considering the increased polarization that the long drawn-out election fight had brought about). bring me evidence of an excoriation that happened during that time and perhaps i'll be able to take you seriously. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:18 am Post subject: |
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| So when do you think the mainstream media will get over its love affair with Obamadrama? |
Along about the same time you get over your obsession with everything Obama. |
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D-Man
Joined: 17 Jun 2008
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Obama is the "pop star" Joe cool president.He's so dam smooth and cool....don't you know that????? Everyone loves him and we all must love him unconditionally.
When he messed up that teleprompter speech,he looked terrified.Like a deer in the proverbial headlights.
The man can't talk off the cuff to save his life.He's pacakged and sold like a bottle of cola.Can't you see the strings extending from his shoulders when he's in public.
I've always said that in 50 years, George W will be seen as a very good president.I don't particularly like the guy, but he wasn't as bad as the media portryaed him to be.
The liberal media attacked him from day 1, but they like to give Obama a smoother ride. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| I've always said that in 50 years, George W will be seen as a very good president. |
No, in 50 years your grandkid is going to say, "Hey Grandpa! What is a Republican? Are they the ones who wore silly mustasches, gave funny salutes and ran the economy into the ground?" |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:58 am Post subject: |
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Obama is the "pop star" Joe cool president.He's so dam smooth and cool....don't you know that????? Everyone loves him and we all must love him unconditionally.
When he messed up that teleprompter speech,he looked terrified.Like a deer in the proverbial headlights.
The man can't talk off the cuff to save his life.He's pacakged and sold like a bottle of cola.Can't you see the strings extending from his shoulders when he's in public.
I've always said that in 50 years, George W will be seen as a very good president.I don't particularly like the guy, but he wasn't as bad as the media portryaed him to be.
The liberal media attacked him from day 1, but they like to give Obama a smoother ride. |
I agree. Once people can look back, they will realize that Bush simply bought the U.S. some more time. He made mistakes, was not the best public speaker....but he did what he thought was right for Americans and did not grovel to Europe or our enemies....only so they could like us again.
One interesting note.....Obama's approval ratings are the same as when Bush was in office during the same amount of time.
Nice post ManintheMiddle.
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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| D-Man wrote: |
| I've always said that in 50 years, George W will be seen as a very good president.I don't particularly like the guy, but he wasn't as bad as the media portryaed him to be. |
you might have always said it, but that won't make it so.
i'm no leftist and am as skeptical as the next guy of barack obama. i go along with the realist view that by no later than the fall, his poll numbers will be down and the media will start to show more teeth. or rather, more of their audience will be demanding a media with teeth, and the tv news people will do what they do best, go for the ratings. all while feigning journalistic integrity etc etc
but let's be serious. george w. bush was a horrible president. absolutely hideous. an embarrassment and a disaster. 50 years will not improve the image of the "ceo president", if anything i suspect it will be tarnished further. |
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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| I agree. Once people can look back, they will realize that Bush simply bought the U.S. some more time. He made mistakes, was not the best public speaker....but he did what he thought was right for Americans |
yes, and isn't that all we needed. to be bought more time.
what is he meant to have bought the U.S. some more time from? was he working to prevent the coming economic collapse? i hardly see how any sane person could be arguing that. working on preventing the next terrorist attack? that is of course what you mean ( i should hope), and there's no point arguing about whether he did so effectively or not. we didn't get another attack. but he caused quite a mess in the middle east. so keeping these things in mind.. yes, history will judge him. but i wouldnt be so sure about what exactly that judgement amounts to.
and i wouldn't just complacently say people will "realize" it was "simply" a matter of so-and-so. look at where the country is at right now. |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:02 am Post subject: |
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yes, and isn't that all we needed. to be bought more time.
what is he meant to have bought the U.S. some more time from? was he working to prevent the coming economic collapse? i hardly see how any sane person could be arguing that. working on preventing the next terrorist attack? that is of course what you mean ( i should hope), and there's no point arguing about whether he did so effectively or not. the fact is we don't yet know. so in that respect.. yes, history will judge him. but i wouldnt be so sure about what exactly that judgement amounts to.
and i wouldn't just complacently say people will "realize" it was "simply" a matter of so-and-so. look at where the country is at right now. |
Well, I'm not too concerned about what you are hoping.
But, as I said....Bush made mistakes, as all presidents do (lets not forget that the U.S. was attacked twice under the watch of Clinton). But, simply pointing the finger at everything that went wrong in Bush's way is simply ridiculous. I know that is putting it in its most simplest form, but it is the truth.
Bush did what he thought was right for America and Americans. He did not panhandle to Europe or a few others, just to get them to like the U.S. again. Obama has now realized that. Although, Europe has always had a chip on their shoulder concerning the U.S....and, when things go wrong in other countries, their favorite thing to do is blame the U.S.
Now, am I going to admit that the Republicans screwed some things up? You bet, they did. However, the crazed ideolgues in the media completely made things even worse.
And, ManintheMiddle is right.(which nobody seems to want to acknowledge or conceed to). The liberal media has not bashed Obama when he has phucked up.......and he has.
People demonize Fox new and anchors like Bill Oreilly as rigid conservatives ( However, I have to admit......not even John Stewert is kissing Obamas ass). This far left ideology is so full of hate, that anyone who goes against it is scorned. For example...did anyone see Genine Guraffulo....(can't spell her name) on NBC last week? Do you know what she said about the T-parties?
Check it out.
When you have people like the Clintons and Obama not being fairly challenged in the majority of mainstream media, there is something wrong.
OH....you guys can say all you want about Fox news. But, they beat pretty much everyone in the ratings, so that the other networks have no choice but to throw insults.
That's not reporting. That's an agenda.
Oh...Bush. Well, what can I say? We voted for him twice. And, he did what he had to do to keep America safe.
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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| And, ManintheMiddle is right.(which nobody seems to want to acknowledge or conceed to). The liberal media has not bashed Obama when he has phucked up.......and he has. |
if you guys can point me to examples of bush-bashing in his first 100 days by the mainstream media (and i'm not talking about Democracy Now) then i will rethink my position on this. i'm actually rooting for you to succeed because i like being surprised.
my feeling is that it's too early to expect any bashing. and i wouldn't say obama's made any serious mistakes. |
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ubermenzch
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:24 am Post subject: |
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When you have people like the Clintons and Obama not being fairly challenged in the majority of mainstream media, there is something wrong.
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where were you during the clinton years? you have to admit, a significant amount of the second term was spent reacting to allegation after allegation.
and even before the shit hit the fan with monica, journalists dreaming of being the next woodward and bernstein were all over gennifer flowers and whitewater and, i could go on... |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| ManintheMiddle wrote: |
I'm sure relieved to see that Obama has such a better grip on affairs of state than George W. Bush.
I mean, a genius move flying Air Force One at low altitude over the Manhattan skyline, not informing Mayor Bloomberg on his direct line or caring whether bystanders might panic. Brilliant... |
But CNN went to great pains to apologize for this, stressing that B. Obama was "furious" when he learned of it. So all is well.
Kuros: he is either the commander-in-chief or he is not. And if he is, then all decisions remain his responsibility. Commanders may delegate authority, but never responsibility. |
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