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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| The Rumsfeld "connection" is really pretty flimsy. The wife of Democrat former Calif. governor Pete Wilson was also on the board of the Tamiflu-makers. |
That only makes it more suspect. |
I would agree.. but the knee-jerk reaction from the foil-hat crew is to somehow try and blame the Bush Administration for this (and every other bad thing that ever happened in the history of the world.) In fact, Pres. Obama praised Mr. Bush in last night's press conference for doing a good job of bio preparedness.
If there is some devious plot from within the United States, I can't see why the infection would be started in Mexico. Why not start it in Europe where governments can more readily afford to buy Tamiflu (at inflated prices) for every citizen. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| If there is some devious plot from within the United States, I can't see why the infection would be started in Mexico. Why not start it in Europe where governments can more readily afford to buy Tamiflu (at inflated prices) for every citizen. |
Perhaps because in a properly developed nation, medical care could be sufficient to stop the outbreak before it really caught hold, and far fewer people would die of it at all, causing much less fear. In a place like Mexico, the disease could gain a foothold, and from there spread to other parts of the world through travellers. In addition, by starting in Mexico, the low quality of health care will make the disease look worse than it really is, which could scare people sufficiently to raise both sales and perhaps even stock prices of the drug company in question.
Not that I'm a conspiracy theorists on this matter, it's just the only remotely plausible explanation that really came to mind. |
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bacasper
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| Not that I'm a conspiracy theorists on this matter, it's just the only remotely plausible explanation that really came to mind. |
Funny how that works, isn't it? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Roche Holding (RHHBY) is a firm whose stock I know about (through a fund: iShares S&P Global Healthcare Sector (IXJ)). They recently missed a development goal for a cancer drug, which is often a signal of future trial failure. This after sinking tens of millions. As such, even with the new flu scare, it is unlikely to be a medium/long run investment. Cancer is their bread and butter.
What I'm saying is that the firm will not profit in the way you're all assuming. If they could cause a whole bunch of new cancers, then it is a buy.
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mises
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Gimpokid
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
Location: Best Gimpo
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 1:13 am Post subject: |
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Getting personal is uncalled for. This thread is not about me. We have seen all too many times that when one is unable or unwilling to contemplate distasteful ideas, they instead resort to attacking the messenger.
If you refuse or are incapable of following the TOS here, find elsewhere to post. |
I just think people should bear the responiblity of making unsubstaniated, spurrious, slanderous acusations. I ask the question to all the "whistle blowers" who jump to grisly and heinous conclusions when far more rational ones exist.
You can save your warning because I didn't attack you and you're not a moderator. It's a legitimate question for those who like to play make believe and defame those they don't like in the midst of crisis instead of doing or saying something constructive. |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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Flu death toll less than feared'
Mexico has revised down the suspected death toll from swine flu from 176 to 101, indicating that the outbreak may not be as bad as was initially feared.
Health Minister Jose Angel Cordova told the BBC that, based on samples tested, the mortality rate was comparable with that of seasonal flu.
The news came as Mexico continues a five-day shutdown in an attempt to contain the spread of the virus.
Italy reported its first case, bringing the number of countries affected to 17.
Five countries outside Mexico have confirmed person-to-person transmission.
China is trying to stop the spread of the virus, after getting its first case on Friday.
It says it will quarantine all those who travelled on a flight from Mexico with a man suffering from swine flu.
Flights from Mexico have been suspended, and fellow guests and staff at the Hong Kong hotel where he was staying have been quarantined.
South Korea has also now confirmed a case of the virus.
Risk remains
In cases outside Mexico, the effects do not appear to be severe.
CONFIRMED CASES
# Mexico: 101 suspected deaths - 16 confirmed
# US: One death, at least 141 confirmed cases
# New Zealand: 4 confirmed, 12 probable cases
# Canada: 35 confirmed cases
# UK: 13 confirmed cases
# Spain: 13 confirmed cases
# Germany: 4 confirmed cases
# France: 2 confirmed cases
# Israel, Costa Rica: 2 confirmed cases
# Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, Denmark, Hong Kong, South Korea, Italy: 1 confirmed case Countries with confirmed cases of secondary transmission
# Mexico
# US
# Canada
# Spain
# Germany
# UK
Dr Anne Schuchat, acting deputy director of America's Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), said that although experts were concerned about the possibility of severe cases, the majority so far had been "mild, self-limited illness".
The new virus lacked the traits that made the 1918 flu pandemic so deadly, another CDC official said.
Mr Cordova appeared to agree, saying that the Mexican authorities may, on reflection, have overestimated the danger.
He said 43.7% of samples from suspected cases so far tested had come back positive, a total of 397. Sixteen in this group had died.
"All the samples that were taken give us an idea of the percentage of the ones testing positive," he said.
"That means that apparently, the rate of attack is not as wide as was thought."
But he stressed that the risk of a rise in infection remains and some elements of the five-day shutdown might be extended.
Restaurants, public buildings and businesses have been closed as Mexico tries to bring the virus under control, and people are being urged to stay at home.
SYMPTOMS - WHAT TO DO
# Swine flu symptoms are similar to those produced by ordinary seasonal flu - fever, cough, sore throat, body aches, chills and fatigue
# If you have flu symptoms and recently visited affected areas of Mexico, you should seek medical advice
# If you suspect you are infected, you should stay at home and take advice by telephone initially, in order to minimise the risk of infection
Mexico City Mayor Marcelo Ebrard said the emergency measures were bringing results, with the numbers "getting better every day".
There is growing concern about the effect the virus could have on Mexico's economy.
Several US air carriers say they will cut flights to Mexico as demand falls amid concerns over the crisis. Tourism has plummeted since the outbreak was declared a week ago.
In Egypt, authorities are expected to begin the slaughter of over 300,000 pigs as a precaution. Experts say the virus cannot be caught from eating pork and there is no scientific rationale for the cull.
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Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/8030365.stm |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| I just think people should bear the responiblity of making unsubstaniated, spurrious, slanderous acusations. I ask the question to all the "whistle blowers" who jump to grisly and heinous conclusions when far more rational ones exist. |
Are you accusing me of "making unsubstaniated [sic], spurrious [sic], slanderous acusations [sic]?" If so, what claim have I made that I have not substantiated?
Perhaps you missed this report from Harvard Public Health expert Dr. Len Horowitz:
H1N1-H5N1 Flu Outbreak Implicates Anglo-American
�Vaccine Pipeline�
Los Angeles, CA� Skyrocketing stock values of Novavax, Inc.,1 precipitated by dozens of flu deaths in Mex�ico, implicates a leading Anglo-American network of genetic engineers in a conspiracy to commit genocide.
Dr. James S. Robertson, England�s leading bioengineer of flu viruses for the vaccine industry, and avid promoter of U.S. Government funding for lucrative �biodefense� contracts, along with collaborators at the US Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC), helped Novavax, Inc., in Bethesda, Maryland, produce genetically-modi�fied recombinants of the avian, swine, and Spanish flu viruses, H5N1 and H1N1, nearly identical to the unprec�edented Mexican virus that has now spread to the United States. The outbreak was precisely timed to promote the company�s new research and huge vaccine stockpiling contracts, according to Dr. Horowitz. 2
Scientists at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) are implicated through collaborations and publica�tions involving private contracts with Novavax, a company that obtains its �biosimilars� through CDC Influ�enza Branch director, Ruben O. Donis, and Dr. Rick Bright, previously working with Donis at the CDC, now Novavax�s Vice President of Global Influenza Programs.
Evidence for the conspiracy to commit deadly duplicity in the vaccine industry includes the genetic markers on the novel flu virus now spreading from Mexico to America. The virus is �genetically different from the fully human H1N1 seasonal influenza virus that has been circulating globally for the past few years,� according to Reuters and government officials. �The new flu virus contains DNA typical to avian, swine and human viruses, including elements from European and Asian swine viruses.� 3
�That is a description that is pathognomonic, or diagnostic, of a virus that came from Robertson�s circle of friends. No other group in the world takes H5N1 Asian flu infected chickens, brings them to Europe, extracts their DNA, combines their proteins with H1N1 viruses from the 1918 Spanish flu iso�late, additionally mixes in swine flu genes from pigs, then �reverse engineers� them to infect humans. The end product that Reuters describes could only end up in Mexico via the United States from Britain in care of the CDC. Ruben Donis at the CDC had to have sent them to Novavax, where Rick Bright�s team is now implicated in a conspiracy to commit genocide�the mass killing of people for profit.�
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The most chilling evidence against Dr. Robertson�s EU research team, besides him being the gatekeeper and chief promoter for multi-billion dollar flu vaccine stockpiling deals, and besides his collaborators being caught red handed here by hard science and common sense, is his stated position that he believes it is wise to �prime� populations worldwide by releasing viruses he and his colleagues are creating. This warning comes from a April 27, 2006, scientific discourse in which Dr. Robertson, and members of his WHO working group, recommended his �biosimilars� be �used to prime the population in advance of the pandemic reaching the UK.�
In other words, the doctors that hold infectious disease responsibility for the world have already decided to loose their viruses on unwitting populations in advance of threatened outbreaks.
Full article at link and thread |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 5:21 pm Post subject: Flu |
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/03/2559206.htm?section=justin
US:
Arizona 4
California 24
Colorado 2
Connecticut 1
Delaware 4
Florida 2
Illinois 3
Indiana 3
Kansas 2
Kentucky* 1
Massachusetts 8
Michigan 2
Minnesota 1
Missouri 1
Nevada 1
New Jersey 7
New York 50
Ohio 1
South Carolina 13
Texas 28 1
Virginia 2
The following countries have reported laboratory confirmed cases with no deaths - Austria (1), Canada (51), China, Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (1), Costa Rica (1), Denmark (1), France (2), Germany (6), Israel (3), Netherlands (1), New Zealand (4), Republic of Korea (1), Spain (13), Switzerland (1) and the United Kingdom (15).
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_05_02a/en/index.html |
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Kikomom
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Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Health/China+bans+Alberta+pork/1560572/story.html
China bans Alberta pork
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China banned pork imports from Alberta on Sunday after news a farm worker transmitted swine flu to pigs in one herd in the province, industry officials say.
The issue arose Sunday as Alberta Health confirmed three new swine flu cases among people in the province, two in central Alberta and one in Calgary, bringing Alberta's total to 18.
There are four cases in Edmonton. None of the sick Albertans required hospitalization.
China's ban could hurt Alberta's $356-million hog-export business, which has already seen prices drop since the Influenza A (H1N1) epidemic began, said Jurgen Preugschas, an Alberta farmer and chair of the Canadian Pork Council.
The epidemic "will affect every hog producer. It does affect us, for sure," said Preugschas, who runs a 20,000-head hog operation near Mayerthorpe.
"Our hog prices are probably $10 to $20 per pig lower than they should be because of it."
Industry officials confirmed Sunday night that China has banned imports only from Alberta.
Philippines, Singapore, Honduras and at least seven other countries have bans that include all Canadian pork and live pigs.
"Any of these restrictions are unfortunate because they really have no basis in science whatsoever," Preugschas said.
The United States and Japan, Canada's biggest pork customers, have not followed suit.
Many of the bans began before Saturday's announcement that the central Alberta herd was quarantined last Tuesday.
About 10 per cent of the 2,200-head pig herd was infected in April by a worker who had recently visited Mexico, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency confirmed on the weekend.
This is believed to be the world's first human-to-pig transmission of this particular virus.
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 8:06 am Post subject: Swine Fever |
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That map is out of date (May 3)
The 91 suspected cases in Australia have been negated (that's not to say that there won't be confirmed cases in the near future), & both HK & Sth Korea (both with one confirmed case each) are not yet even marked. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| Gimpokid wrote: |
| I just think people should bear the responiblity of making unsubstaniated [sic], spurrious [sic], slanderous acusations [sic]. I ask the question to all the "whistle blowers" who jump to grisly and heinous conclusions when far more rational ones exist. |
You mean, like yours that Rumsfeld was merely a shrewd investor? 
Tamiflu and Rummy
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In October 2005 the Pentagon ordered vaccination of all US military personnel worldwide against what it called Avian Flu, H5N1. Scare stories filled world media. Then, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced he had budgeted more than $1 billion to stockpile the drug Oseltamivir, sold under the name Tamiflu. President Bush called on Congress to appropriate another $2 billion for Tamiflu stocks.
What Rumsfeld neglected to report at the time was a colossal conflict of interest. Prior to coming to Washington in January 2001, Rumsfeld had been chairman of a California pharmaceutical company, Gilead Sciences. Gilead Sciences held exclusive world patent rights to Tamiflu, a drug it had developed and whose world marketing rights were sold to the Swiss pharma giant, Roche. Rumsfeld was reportedly the largest stock holder in Gilead which got 10% of every Tamiflu dose Roche sold. 14 When it leaked out, the Pentagon issued a curt statement to the effect that Secretary Rumsfeld had decided not to sell but to retain his stock in Gilead, claiming that to sell would have indicated something to hide.� That agonizing decision won him reported added millions as the Gilead share price soared more than 700% in weeks. |
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chris_J2
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Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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NY records first swine flu death
A New York City school principal suffering from swine flu died on Sunday, becoming the city's first death due to H1N1 flu, medical officials said.
Mitchell Wiener (55) died after being admitted to Flushing Hospital Medical Center several days ago with the H1N1 flu virus, said Dr Andrew Rubin, a hospital spokesman.
A city health department spokeswoman also confirmed a death, but could not confirm the victim's identity.
It was the first death in New York City, where many of the US cases have been reported but with mostly mild symptoms.
Meanwhile the number of confirmed H1N1 flu cases in Japan has risen to 96, a health ministry official said today, with most of new cases seen in high school students in western Japan, many of whom have not travelled abroad.
Over 80 high school students in Hyogo and Osaka prefectures were confirmed to be infected with the new flu virus, Keiichiro Suemasa, a health ministry official said.
The ministry has called for the suspension of classes at all middle and high schools in Hyogo, where 53 cases were confirmed, as well as neighbouring Osaka, where 39 cases were confirmed, Suemasa said.
The figure includes four cases that Japan confirmed earlier this month among people that returned from abroad.
The ministry has not received information on anyone being critically ill from the H1N1 flu, Suemasa said.
The World Health Organisation said last week that it is closely monitoring the situation in Japan after three students from the same high school who have not travelled abroad came down with the H1N1 flu.
More than 35 countries have confirmed cases of the virus, and some 60 people have died in Mexico of the new flu strain, which last month prompted the World Health Organization to raise its global pandemic alert level to 5 on a 6-point scale.
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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0518/breaking3.htm |
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