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Mr_Anderson



Joined: 05 Dec 2008
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:04 am    Post subject: Does this sound right? Reply with quote

Today I learned my principal (public school) doesn't want me back for another year at the same school. I'm not a bad teacher and I do my job ok. So I feel a little put out by this.

What's more though, is that I got told if I wanted to renew for another year, that it'd have to be in another city! Like I got asked on two separate occasions if I want to same with the same POE, and I said yes, but am now being told I have to go to an entirely new POE if I want to renew.

This sounds mighty strange, and I'm going to have to find out more. I mean, surely going to work at another school but within the same city - when I re-sign - is a normally quite easily attainable thing to do. Many Korean teachers do this.

Just this sounds strange. Is it common for your principal to not want you back at the same [public] school for a 2nd year?

Any opinions/thoughts would be welcome, thanks.
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it does sound very strange - I had all kinds of issues w/my school, almost quit at one point - and they knew it as well - I wasn't planning to renew but was shocked they even wanted me too - asked me several times even when I told them I was leaving the country to travel for a while.

and what's this about telling you to leave the city? as in get the hell outa Dodge?

is there something you aren't telling us? been shaggin the K teachers or something?n and is this your first job in K? Shocked

do you know if you had a problem w/ a student that could have come back at you? that's always a possibility but all the same, seems like someone would have told you something -
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's unusual.

To not be offered renewal at your school means you've POed somone at the school.

To not be offered renewal in the city means you've POed someone at the district office (or they're listening to the school).

To not be offered renewal anywhere in the POE means you've POed somone at the provincial office (or they're listening to the school and/or the district office).

Do you have any idea what you've done/didn't do?
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Mr_Anderson



Joined: 05 Dec 2008
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep it's my first year here (and last too it seems).

Well, I have a pretty good idea. I made the school look bad on an open class I did last year. I didn't do nearly enough preparation for it, which was fair enough considering they wanted me to stay after hours and they weren't willing to pay me overtime for it.

That's all I can think of. My classes go fine. So yeah i can't re-sign for another year at the same school, let alone the same local MOE (Ulsan), because the Principal gave a bad word about me to the higher-ups. So i can't get another PS job within Ulsan because the local MOE won't have it.

It's utter bs. All they care about is their image.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr_Anderson wrote:


It's utter bs. All they care about is their image.



It's utter bs. All they care about is their careers.

There fixed that for you.

Mr_Anderson wrote:


Well, I have a pretty good idea. I made the school look bad on an open class I did last year. I didn't do nearly enough preparation for it, which was fair enough considering they wanted me to stay after hours and they weren't willing to pay me overtime for it.


You won that battle, congratulations.
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Kurtz



Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Location: ples bilong me

PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Won that battle? Is that what this all is? a battle? US VS THEM?

I've stayed back a couple of times after hours to prepare for open classes and didn't ask for money, not because I'm weak, but I believe in a bit of give and take. Because I usually do sweet FA every afternoon I wouldn't dream of asking for OT for the once in a blue moon open class after hours prep.
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Straphanger



Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:
You won that battle, congratulations.

Thanks for not doing that douchebag eyeroll. My report time is 2:20. I was in my hakwon at 11:30. Why? Because I need that time to prepare, so I can give 100% to my students, to their parents who work the shit jobs to pay my salary. I'm not going to nail myself to a contract for a few hours one way or the other.

I'm a HAKWON MONKEY and I don't stick to my contracted hours. I come in when I need to, and I leave when I'm done. In exchange (presumably?) if I gotta run home to take a shit or run out to the market to buy donuts for the next class, I can fudge 3 minutes here or there because my efficiency in the classroom is so improved by my prep work (AT A CHAIN HAKWON) I'm allowed as much slack on the leash as I want.
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Ukon



Joined: 29 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr_Anderson wrote:
Yep it's my first year here (and last too it seems).

Well, I have a pretty good idea. I made the school look bad on an open class I did last year. I didn't do nearly enough preparation for it, which was fair enough considering they wanted me to stay after hours and they weren't willing to pay me overtime for it.

That's all I can think of. My classes go fine. So yeah i can't re-sign for another year at the same school, let alone the same local MOE (Ulsan), because the Principal gave a bad word about me to the higher-ups. So i can't get another PS job within Ulsan because the local MOE won't have it.

It's utter bs. All they care about is their image.


Were you born stupid son?
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Mr_Anderson



Joined: 05 Dec 2008
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ukon wrote:
Mr_Anderson wrote:
Yep it's my first year here (and last too it seems).

Well, I have a pretty good idea. I made the school look bad on an open class I did last year. I didn't do nearly enough preparation for it, which was fair enough considering they wanted me to stay after hours and they weren't willing to pay me overtime for it.

That's all I can think of. My classes go fine. So yeah i can't re-sign for another year at the same school, let alone the same local MOE (Ulsan), because the Principal gave a bad word about me to the higher-ups. So i can't get another PS job within Ulsan because the local MOE won't have it.

It's utter bs. All they care about is their image.


Were you born stupid son?


No, were you?
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr_Anderson wrote:
Yep it's my first year here (and last too it seems).

Well, I have a pretty good idea. I made the school look bad on an open class I did last year. I didn't do nearly enough preparation for it, which was fair enough considering they wanted me to stay after hours and they weren't willing to pay me overtime for it.

That's all I can think of. My classes go fine. So yeah i can't re-sign for another year at the same school, let alone the same local MOE (Ulsan), because the Principal gave a bad word about me to the higher-ups. So i can't get another PS job within Ulsan because the local MOE won't have it.

.


Hang on here a minute...who told you this?
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Michelle



Joined: 18 May 2003

PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Does this sound right? Reply with quote

Mr_Anderson wrote:
Today I learned my principal (public school) doesn't want me back for another year at the same school. I'm not a bad teacher and I do my job ok. So I feel a little put out by this.

What's more though, is that I got told if I wanted to renew for another year, that it'd have to be in another city! Like I got asked on two separate occasions if I want to same with the same POE, and I said yes, but am now being told I have to go to an entirely new POE if I want to renew.

This sounds mighty strange, and I'm going to have to find out more. I mean, surely going to work at another school but within the same city - when I re-sign - is a normally quite easily attainable thing to do. Many Korean teachers do this.

Just this sounds strange. Is it common for your principal to not want you back at the same [public] school for a 2nd year?

Any opinions/thoughts would be welcome, thanks.




Hi there,

it sounds weird but it might be just one of those things.

I would state your locale preferences to the person running it and see what they say, if they will place you somewhere very good. The principals and schools opinions can vary greatly and the same thing at one school might go over a lot better at your next school.

They may not have understood the full situation when you were hired, or they may think the studetns would look forward to a change of teacher. Can't think why they want to change your city unless people have talked.

Good luck.
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Zulethe



Joined: 04 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a novel thought....how about ask why you aren't being renewed. Tell them you need to know for your own personal development.

If they refuse to tell you, you probably did something very bad or you embarrassed them in some way as for them not to want to bring it up again.

As a last result you could try and make amends because that would really suck if you eventually decided you wanted to come back and teach and yet this prevents you from doing so.
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Mr_Anderson



Joined: 05 Dec 2008
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zulethe wrote:
Here's a novel thought....how about ask why you aren't being renewed. Tell them you need to know for your own personal development.

If they refuse to tell you, you probably did something very bad or you embarrassed them in some way as for them not to want to bring it up again.

As a last result you could try and make amends because that would really suck if you eventually decided you wanted to come back and teach and yet this prevents you from doing so.


Oh! I know why I'm not getting re-signed. My co-teacher is a workaholic with a high blood pressure, and kisses the Principal's and the VP's ass whenever he can in that regard. Funny thing is the Principal was in hospital not long ago for having high blood pressure too... He was in it for a whole week too.

As it stands, their perception of me is I don't do enough 'work'. That's what I was told. I simply refuse to do mind-bogglingly pointless work just to look busy.

For example over the 1 week 'bonus' spring break I was 'gifted' in late Feb, I was asked to create something. What that something was was stated to me in totally unclear terms. Not to mention at the very last couple of hours before the break began proper. I ended up cutting and pasting about an A4 page off the internet as I was holidaying in Sri Lanka with that time off, rather than doing pointless work that'd probably never get used (which it hasn't).

Well, when I got back from said holdiday, my lovely co-teacher was disappointed with my effort. He then implied that the spring break wasn't a break at all but time off school... to do work at home totalling to a 40 hour working week. Incredulous!!! He never said that before the spring break. At that point I uttered "I don't care". And that's how it is. I still don't care X1000. I really don't understand this Korean work ethic that has people stressing out just to appease the King, oops the Principal. Bugger that.

So all in all, I'm not surprised I didn't get re-signed to my school (I wouldn't have wanted to anyhow). But they got upset about it and ratted me out to the metropolitan city's office of education, and so I now I can't re-sign to another school in the same metropolitan city. That's what I'm miffed about.

But then again, maybe a nice long holiday away from this place would do me a world of good, and if I ever came back to ESL, it would most likely not be in Korea.

So yeah. Whatever.
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your open demo class is actually done as a test to see if you can get a second contract. If you fail that test you don't get offered a new contract.
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sinsanri



Joined: 20 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Today I learned my principal (public school) doesn't want me back for another year at the same school. I'm not a bad teacher and I do my job ok. So I feel a little put out by this.


WHY? What you forget is that the Korean schools are under NO OBLIGATION to provide you with a job or renew your contract. Since they did NOT renew yor contract, they are well within their rights and do NOT need a valid reason to do so.

Too many NEts think Korea owes them, they don't. Grow up some and learn what life is all about. You screwed up and you paid for it with your job---happens to a lot of people ALL OVER THE WORLD.

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What's more though, is that I got told if I wanted to renew for another year, that it'd have to be in another city


SO? That is another fact of life. Principles have influence, get used to it, it happens ALL OVER THE WORLD.

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This sounds mighty strange, and I'm going to have to find out more. I mean, surely going to work at another school but within the same city - when I re-sign - is a normally quite easily attainable thing to do. Many Korean teachers do this.


NEWSFLASH--YOU are not korean and do not expect to receive the same treatment as your counterparts. This too happens all over the world.

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Just this sounds strange. Is it common for your principal to not want you back at the same [public] school for a 2nd year?


NO IT is NOT common expecially if you broke the 'relationship' factor. You said 'I do NOT care' to your boss, big mistake and you told him plenty with those 4 words.

You can only blame yourself for not preparing better and for your dismissal because by your words --you made the mistakes., not the koreans.

So all you have to do now is LEARN from YOUR mistakes and if you do not then find another country to work in.
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