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[bacasper]

[chrisyurhee]

[Kuros]

[bucheon bum]

[JMO]

[Robot_Teacher]

Marxism is where the common majority disagree with the bankers and other executives and seek to bring them down due to their corruptions. This process is beginning as the economic inequalities are becoming greater each day as the executives are receiving money from the governments while the common majority are expected to live under less than ideal conditions leading to extreme poverty in many instances. It's not only happening in America, but in Europe too. Don't go around bragging about you being a banker, stock trader, or some big shot wearing a suit. Marxism states that this class struggle leads to a classless socialist state that then leads to either socialism or communism.

I'm hoping it's not the latter.

[chrisyurhee]

Obama Ranked Most Liberal Senator in 2007
It may or may not be a trophy that he wants to pick up right now.

The National Journal is out with its 27th Annual vote ratings and it ranked Sen. Barack Obama as the most liberal Senator in the entire Senate. (His first year he was 16th, and last year he was 10th.) But he wasn't alone in his shift to the left. Sen. Hillary Clinton was 16th herself in 2007 after being 32nd in 2006.

And there really wasn't much room between them. The Journal notes of the 267 measures on which both senators cast votes in 2007, the two differed on only 10.

The ranking can sometimes be used as a weapon by opponents. In 2004 Republicans used Sen. John Kerry's liberal rankings against him. And some Republicans are attacking Obama now for being too liberal.

At a January 16 Republican National Committee meeting, Karl Rove, President Bush's former campaign architect, called Obama "a straight-down-the-line United States Senate national Democrat." Rove pointedly added: "Nonpartisan ratings say that he has a more liberal and a more straight-party voting record than Senator Clinton does. Pretty hard to do."
But the liberal ranking also comes after a prominent British magazine labeled Obama the ideal "conservative" candidate for America, and after several prominent conservative pundits have tossed bouquets his way.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/news/2008/01/obama_ranked_most_liberal_sena_1.html

But he' been displaced - That distinction falls to a Western Democrat, Patty Murray of Washington -- shown here on the left, strangely enough. She holds that distinction all by her lonesome with a 92.7 composite liberal score (meaning she voted more liberally on the Journal's key votes than 92.7% of her colleagues).

Rhode Island's Jack Reed was second with a 91.5 score and California's Barbara Boxer third with a puny 90.2 liberal ranking. (California's other female senator, Dianne Feinstein, was 18th-most liberal with 81).

And who's the most conservative member in one of the world's most exclusive clubs?



Actually, it's a tie -- four Republicans, also Westerners and three of them named John/Jon -- Dr.John Barrasso and Michael Enzi, both of Wyoming, John Ensign of Nevada (symbolically on the right here pointing to our right) and Jon Kyl of Arizona, shown above overcome with joy at news of his conservative ranking. (Not really; the photographer just caught him rubbing his face.)

Each of the four had a 93.2 conservative rating from the Journal, meaning they were slightly more conservative conservatives than liberal Murray was liberal.

Over on the House side, well, who cares?

There's way too many of them to bother. Suffice it to say, 12 Democrats -- seven of them women and five of the 12 from California -- tied for most liberal with 93.2 ratings.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/02/obama-congress.html

[Adventurer]

Essentially, what helped save the capitalist order was some form of socialism that was called Keynsian Economics, but what happened in the US was those who decided to defy historian and role back regulation got America back into a similar mess. Many countries in Europe have some form of socialism, and why is that such a bad thing? There is a difference between non-Marxist socialism and Marxist-Lenninist socialism.
Marxist-Lenninist socialism led to dictatorships whereas mainstream socialism with a capitalist underpinning is rather democratic, and certainly more democratic than what exists in the United States.

After all, government for the people by the people requires more power for the people and for them to have more of a benefit out of the system. That said, I am not saying that I endorse Obama and his spending program. Let us not forget George Bush got America into a very bad war when there was already an economic downturn of some sort.

[mises]

Keynesian economics did not save the capitalist order. Kindly shoot who ever told you that.

Also, you're making the same mistake as the tea baggers. There is a difference between socialism and social democracy. One area we can say there is socialism would be the Canadian health system (the means of production, wages, supply all owned and controlled by the state - er, the people). But only Canada (and the DPRK, Cuba) have such a system. Anyways, welfare etc are not socialism. When Sweden nationalizes the means of production it will become socialist. When the Swedish government dissolves due to a lack of false consciousness in the proletariat, it will be communist.

I'm a nutty libertarian and don't want social democracy or socialism, but I am annoyed that the whole society is misusing terms.

[lithium]

[ubermenzch]

[lithium]

[No_hite_pls]

The economy is much better now than when Bush was leaving the office and that is the most important thing.

[AsiaESLbound]

[chellovek]

I've only skimmed through this but...deary me.

This whole "Europe is this......Europe is that..." is just so bloody ignorant I can't stand it.

You tend to find the nations of Europe fall into different groupings, some of which perform many tasks better than the US, other which perform them alot worse.

This may come as a shock but.......Europe is not a monolithic entity. You can't make such massive generalisations about pseudo-socialist goodness or badness.

I mean, Jeez, there's so much bollocks spouted by some of the nuttier right-wing elements I'm not even sure where to begin.