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mises
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Too bad the same benefit of the doubt was NEVER accorded Bush when he was in office. |
You're probably right. In retrospect, that was a good thing. Bush didn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. He does deserve the guillotine. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| ManintheMiddle wrote: |
Too bad the same benefit of the doubt was NEVER accorded Bush when he was in office. |
You're probably right. In retrospect, that was a good thing. Bush didn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. He does deserve the guillotine. |
That's not how I remember it. I remember Bush getting monstrously high approval ratings for simply being our Head of State after 9-11.
I do remember after Katrina hit, everyone realized that if this is how he fumbled in his own country, he must've messed up Iraq.
By 2007 Bush was a half-decent President, turning his foreign policy around and generally acting sane. But by that time everyone had already made up their minds. Of course Bush is to blame, because he was so damned secretive that when it was found what he was hiding, the public completely lost trust in him. |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| I think MITM is making reference to the nefarious liberal media, not the actual media. |
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ManintheMiddle
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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mises imagined:
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| I think MITM is making reference to the nefarious liberal media, not the actual media. |
And who they be, pray tell? 
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| You're probably right. In retrospect, that was a good thing. Bush didn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. He does deserve the guillotine. |
Ah, another Bush-hater out of the closet. No use arguing with someone with this asinine mindset. Every president deserves the benefit of the doubt in his first 100 days, but the mainstream press only saw fit to affirm that position in one-third of their coverage on Bush in 2001. But don't let glaring reality stand in the way of your conjecture.
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| That's not how I remember it. I remember Bush getting monstrously high approval ratings for simply being our Head of State after 9-11. |
I see. Revealing choice of adjective there. Part of the support was patriotic but much was due to his decisive action, something found wanting in the Katrina aftermath.
But of course neither of you would bother to blame the inept Louisiana governor at the time, a Democrat, for her initially slow response.
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mises
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| And who they be, pray tell? |
They are who ever you disagree with on any given day.
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| Ah, another Bush-hater out of the closet. |
I didn't know it was a secret.
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| No use arguing with someone with this asinine mindset. |
I'll get around to putting up Mike Moore's pic as my avatar pronto.
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| Every president deserves the benefit of the doubt in his first 100 days, but the mainstream press only saw fit to affirm that position in one-third of their coverage. Don't let the facts confuse you. |
No. The function of the press or news media is to be critical. Government never, ever, ever deserves the benefit of the doubt. Every policy must be criticized. That is the function of the press. |
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dmbfan
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| But of course neither of you would bother to blame the inept Louisiana governor at the time, a Democrat, for her initially slow response. |
It seems that has been swept under the rug......
Left wing loons in the media like New York Times columnist Paul Krugman blamed most of Katrina misery on Mr. Bush..............................
"The federal goverment's lethal ineptitude wasn't just a consequence of Mr. Bush's personal inadequacy; it was a consequence of ideological hostility to the very idea of using goverment to serve the public good".
Even director Spike Lee got in on the action. He had the opinion tha the levess in N.O. might have been intentionally set up to harm poor black people.
One FACT is this.....Governor Blanco of Louisiana did not have a disaster plan in place, did not have enough state police and National Gaurd to secure a city the size of N.O. and did NOT push for federal help soon enough.
Anyone want to know the source?
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mises
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| ManintheMiddle wrote: |
But of course neither of you would bother to blame the inept Louisiana governor at the time, a Democrat, for her initially slow response. |
Partisan hackery dude.
Yes. The Democratic Governor and mayor deserve a huge portion of the blame. |
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dmbfan
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Partisan hackery dude.
Yes. The Democratic Governor and mayor deserve a huge portion of the blame.
How about this?
"If you have no money, no support system, no common sense andno motivation to provide security for yourself and your family, you are going to get hammered. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when."
And, one must take into account that most MANY people admitted they they ignored the repeated warnings, regarding Katrina..
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| Far left (or possibly Liberal though, at times) thought dictates people avoiding taking respoonsibility for their lives. If someone fails to do the basics in order to succeed, it's not really their fault. It's callous society or the evil Bush admiinistration that has held them back. Far left liberal though is very clear: the government has an obligation to make sure all three hundred million Americans, plus millions of illegal immigrants, have everything they need to get by...........thus, a Nanny State. |
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ManintheMiddle
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Partisan hackery dude. |
First off, I'm not a "dude." Second, as I've said countless times on this forum, I'm not a registered Republican and in fact would welcome a third party candidate. But thanks for playing. |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Partisan hackery dude. |
First off, I'm not a "dude." Second, as I've said countless times on this forum, I'm not a registered Republican and in fact would welcome a third party candidate. But thanks for playing. |
That claim is as empty when you make it as when O'Reilly makes it. I suppose there is a chance you'd vote for a conservative Dem if the other choice was horrible, and you'd vote for a third party candidate provided it was really a Republican style conservative. But with all the droning you do about the "liberal" this and that, you've made your team clear. And there is nothing wrong with that, unless you insist on claiming otherwise, at which point it is just weird. |
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dmbfan
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| That claim is as empty when you make it as when O'Reilly makes it |
Actually, if you did some research on Bill Oreilly, you would know that he is not a Repbulican.
He votes for the guy who is capable of causing the LEAST amount of damage to the country and the people.
What is empty about that?
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mises
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't believe him. And worse still, he is a terrible journalist. All bravado and platitudes and fully zero substance. |
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dmbfan
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't believe him. And worse still, he is a terrible journalist. All bravado and platitudes and fully zero substance. |
How so?
Actually..............I guess the three Emmy Awards he has won proves he is a terrible journalist. I guess since, his show "The Oreilly Factor" has never had to recall a story/report goes to show that it is all "bravado and platitudes", as you said. I guess since his ratings beat just about everyone else goes to show he has zero substance.........
I'm not here to change your mind, though. I'm sure you have your reasons for not liking Oreilly.
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mises
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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He shows a headline, yells about it and moves on. If we're lucky, you get a token interview with a nodding head or sometimes even a dissenting point of view - who is quickly yelled at. In fact, I don't even think he would consider himself a journalist but a commentator. Watching him will not expand your understanding of an issue. It will merely give you talking points ammo for an internet scrap.
He is to the right what M.Moore is to the left. |
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dmbfan
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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1. He is not a rabidly partisan political guy.
2 He does not endorse candidates for office.
3. He realizes that politics in America is a money play full of "charlatans and crazed ideolgues".
4. He realizes that no matter how much he says or writes, "fanatics wil
attack it because Kool-Aid-drinking ideologues on BOTH sides resent
his national platform and nonaligned analysis.
The far left lables him as a rigid conservative whle at the same time, the far right despises him because he is not reactionary enough.
Have actually read one of his books?
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