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Manner of Speaking
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Glad to see that the Korean boy took a stand and that there is a great amount of support for him. Kids will be kids, and racists will be racists. The good point is that there seems to be very little support for racist remarks and that the children take action to remedy the situation. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:51 am Post subject: |
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This doesn't surprise me, really. A lot of kids get into these racial fights. It also happens in Ottawa. Of course, it's not always whites starting fights in Canada. It goes both ways. I've seen a white guy have himself beaten bad in Ottawa by some Somali youth, and I wanted to help, but I was kind of too late, and there were so many of them. I am sorry this guy in the article was attacked. He was minding his own business.
Do fights break out in Korean schools based on people being half Korean?
I have no clue. The white student should have been charged. Where are the witnesses? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| The white student should have been charged. |
Charged? It was a school yard fight!
Do you want to put him in the criminal justice system at fiffuckingteen? Maybe Goffman's labeling theory will kick in and he'll label himself a criminal and get set down a solid life path.
Or maybe the state should let 15 year old boys fight. And call each other names. Maybe the state shouldn't be a parasite on all human interactions, be they good or bad.
It is absolutely pathetic that this made the Globe and Mail. Just disgusting. Canada is just a silly country.
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| I've seen a white guy have himself beaten bad in Ottawa by some Somali youth |
Why wasn't that in the Globe? |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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If you let kids be kids without rules and regulations, they'll end up killing each other. Also, some kids don't want to fight. Who is going to stick up for them?
Fair enough for the police to get involved. The boy should have charges dropped though. The other kid deserved a smack upside the head. Only way he is going to learn. Maybe not a broken nose, but that was just bad luck. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheonmunka wrote: |
| If you let kids be kids without rules and regulations, they'll end up killing each other. Also, some kids don't want to fight. Who is going to stick up for them? |
Fights happen. The police aren't needed. Either the school or both parents can deal with punishing the kids. And frankly, no punishment is needed for the vast majority.
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| Fair enough for the police to get involved. |
The police are for catching rapists, robbers and the like. Not for 15 year old two punch "fights". But in our brave world of the total state, I guess the coppers should have tazed the little bastard, arrested him and sent him to a rape-camp to learn how to properly fight (and make a shank from a wide variety of jailhouse items). |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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In Korea, Black Belts are considered some sort of weapon. If they fight and hurt someone, they get charged with a crime more serious than normal people.
That might be the reason, or maybe he beat up the redneck a little more than necessary. |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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The story was ran simply because of the community's support for the Korean boy. And quite frankly, I'm glad to see what has unfolded.
The police should not be involved. The school should have taken matters in their on hands.
This was not a school yard fight. This was a racial attack during gym class. As I said before, kids will be kids and racists will be racists. The Korean boy had been bullied before by the same boy, and he did the right thing. Why is the Korean boy charged? Simply because he caused physical harm. It will be difficult to have the charge dropped but a judge may dismiss the case. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Ilsanman wrote: |
| In Korea, Black Belts are considered some sort of weapon. If they fight and hurt someone, they get charged with a crime more serious than normal people. |
As I recall that's why Nicolas Cage went to jail at the beginning of Con Air. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| supernick wrote: |
| Glad to see that the Korean boy took a stand and that there is a great amount of support for him. |
I wonder if this story has reached Korea and how the Korean media are reporting it?
To give a similar example in the Korean setting, I know of a mixed race 14 yr old kid (half Canadian/half american, the son of a friend of mine) who was sat on the subway recently. An old ajosshi guy mumbled some racist epithets at him and started slapping his leg for him to stand up and move out his seat. He was quite upset at this and at the next stop, he jumped up and punched the guy before running out the closing door.
So If the korean police had arrived, how would this have played out? Would we see Koreans protesting on the streets in his support against racism? |
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Sleepy in Seoul
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| The police are for catching rapists, robbers and the like. Not for 15 year old two punch "fights". |
The police are there for everyone and for every offence. If these were adults fighting then the person breaking a nose could be charged with bodily harm (punishable by up to seven years in gaol) or even GBH (grievous bodily harm - 14 years) depending upon the severity of the injury. I agree wholeheartedly that the boy should not have been charged and I can only assume that Canadian law provides an exculpatory provision for self defence in their legislation. Why it was not used I don't know, but I doubt that any police officer would take kindly to mises telling them what their job is. |
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Thwartley
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This kid and his family aren't stupid. They know if they play the race card, they will have their only shot at committing violence with impunity.
So, the kid says a racist comment was uttered and the white kid threw the first punch. Well, of course, he would say that wouldn't he?
Yet the gym teacher and the principal are pushing for the kid's suspension to be implemented. Why do you think that is the case? Perhaps the gym teacher witnessed the whole thing and his take doesn't quite fit in with the heroic narrative of an abused Asian kid rising up against racist white rednecks.
Believe me, different angles on this story will come out within the next few days. |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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Slapping a boys leg to move over is not a good example.
Though I feel that the boy had the right to self defence, and further the other getting a broken nose, the Korean boy did inflict bodily harm, and the cops were just doing their job though I do not understand why the white kid was not charged. It could be that simple assualt charges must be filed by the victim. If you and I have a fight and neither of us were seriously hurt, the police will only become involved once one of us decide to file charges. There could be a scrap going on on Electric Ave, but it is more likely that the persons would be charged for publis disburnce but not simple assault. Personally, I don't think the Korean family want to file charges.
Anyway, hats off to the community as this is where the solution lies and there needs to be more of a grass roots approach to these problems.
The Korean boy (from what he said) did not intend to break the white boys nose. He hit with his weaker left arm so he has a good case. From what I understnd, he didn't hit the boy repeatedly and this looks good in his defence. I'm sure the judge will dismiss the charge. |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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This kid and his family aren't stupid. They know if they play the race card, they will have their only shot at committing violence with impunity.
So, the kid says a racist comment was uttered and the white kid threw the first punch. Well, of course, he would say that wouldn't he?
Yet the gym teacher and the principal are pushing for the kid's suspension to be implemented. Why do you think that is the case? Perhaps the gym teacher witnessed the whole thing and his take doesn't quite fit in with the heroic narrative of an abused Asian kid rising up against racist white rednecks.
Believe me, different angles on this story will come out within the next few days. |
Right. There could be more to this story. The only problem I have is that the students and the community are siding with the Korean boy. Personally, I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's about racism; just about school bullying which is common. If the Korean boy was simply walking down a street and was insulted about his race and assualted by a stranger, that would be racism, but this is more of a case of bullying.
In another arcticle I read about this, the Korean boy was finding it hard to fit in socially. Bullies like to pick on these people, and now that there are so many different races in the schools, the race card is often played.
Once a fellow student who stole something of mine, and I called him on it, followed by some pushing, the case was later dismised by the school as they thought I was picking on him because of his race (Jew against Arab), and I walked out of the room saying that they don't know the differnce between Arabs and Pursians. The thing is, there are also Pusian Jews, which he was. I was warned and marked a racist. And this did not happen in Canada. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| supernick wrote: |
| I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's about racism; just about school bullying which is common. |
If I pick on someone because they are fat/ have a big nose/ ugly/ stutter etc then why is that a lesser offence than racism?
All are criticising someones physical attributes- that is to say, criticising something they have no power to change. Difference is, the race card is the magic word that makes world headlines while the others are dismissed as simple bullying- something a kid is expected to suck up. |
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