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lithium
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While taking my shower this morning it occured to me that when the Gov of Texas flirted with secession there was no outrage from GOP leadership, but when one measly senator from Pennsylvania seceded from the Republican Party, the TV lit up with poutraged Republicans.
The irony. The irony.
Today is Obama's 100th day. Spector's switch is the frosting on the cake. |
Hey s**t for brains. That is not what the head of the Republican Party, Steele, said. |
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mises
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Hurray for Arlen  
The real debates will now go on entirely within the Democratic caucus before bills go to the floor for passage. If the Senate leadership can craft compromises successfully, the Party of No will be entirely powerless. There are consequences to being obstructionist and the GOP has just learned that cost.
PS: C'mon Minnesota Supreme Court. Hurry up! |
You are an idiot. He never was a real Republican. The reason he left was because he would not have won his nomination. |
seeing as you are a believer in the "real republican" nonsense that is currently destroying an already crippled party, is it really wise to call others idiots? |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Olymipia Snowe will be the next to leave! These people have no choice they are not going to stay in a party where the next Republican candidate for president believes that demons are waging a war against angels on earth, and has had an exorcism performed. I have no big hate for the Republicans. Traditionally they were the party for equality for blacks, the environment, less intrusive government; now they support wiretapping, secret prisons, destruction of the environment and have no black national officeholders. Whatever this fringe that looks to Limbaugh, a junkie with some strange sexual fetishes, for leadership it is not the traditional Republican party. A bunch of goons with truck nutz swinging under a rusty ford and whose biggest ambition is to join the klan is not the membership that Theodore Roosevelt Eisenhower,or Licoln would have wanted to represent. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| Traditionally they were the party for equality for blacks, the environment, less intrusive government; |
But how long ago was that? Those goals have not been Republican for decades and decades. Today's GOP is the party that's David Duke-friendly, Drill, Baby Drill/If you've seen one redwood tree, you've seen 'em all and Teri Schiavo. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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correct Ya-ta. The Republican party has lost it's way. Instead of plans and ideas it offers hate, talk of seccession. There has to be an honest opposition, or we have dictatorship. but what is left of the Republicans doesnt offer opposition but obstruction for obstructions sake. I just dont think that the Republican party can rebuild itself and return to it's roots.
When the polls show that only 20% of Americans call themselves Republican and your leadership can only spout nonsense about Obama's secret muslim plot or that he is the anti-christ . Good for Specter others will follow him and maybe this will wake the Republicans up or the party will die and then a new party can come forth. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| There has to be an honest opposition, or we have dictatorship. |
That's going too far. It's more likely we'd have a 'repeat' of this: The Era of Good Feelings (1817�25)describes a period in United States political history in which partisan bitterness abated. The phrase was coined by Benjamin Russell, in the Boston newspaper, Columbian Centinel, on July 12, 1817, following the good-will visit to Boston of President James Monroe. (wiki) There's a very large and important difference between having one-party government imposed and having it happen because a party abdicates or commits suicide. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:28 am Post subject: ... |
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Well, to be fair, I'd be happy to see either of the 2 big parties die. An electorally reformed environment where we might just have more than 2 would be ideal, but I'm not kidding myself.
On one hand, the GOP crowd was sounding the death knell for the Democrats not too long ago...
However, the Republicans kinda blew their load on Bush. 2004 was the apex of a platform that I don't think will be successfully run again. Obama could be extremely foolish, but no one will have a hankering for the Bush era (ok, a few people will, but I'm sure there was a crowd that missed Nixon).
DISCLAIMER: Nixon doesn't deserve to be compared to the heights of moronocity achieved in this past decade.
So yeah, I like this:
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| Traditionally they were the party for equality for blacks, the environment, less intrusive government |
Equality for blacks? Fail.
The environment? Mega-fail.
Less intrusive government? They somewhat tried with abortion, but the libertarians run this better.
There would be a certain poetic justice if a party founded on human rights died on its modern human rights record.
Seems we're married to a two-party system. So it goes. But the time now seems ripe for a bump. I'd prefer a Paul opposition to a religious-nationalist one.
I think that's what we're headed for, irregardless of what flag is flying overhead. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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Representative Joe Sestak, Democrat of Pennsylvania's 7th District, and former admiral in the Navy, has not ruled out running against Specter in the Democratic primary next year.
That could be an interesting race.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697#30524912
Chris Mathews keeps asking everyone he interviews on the Specter topic just what the Dems got from Specter on this deal...a guarantee of help on health care? It's a good question. |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| PA will no longer be a swing state. Pennsylvanian's LIKE Arlen Specter, R's and D's alike, because he's always worked for the people. Ever since he was a Philly DA. |
I'd say he's working for himself now--as in his own self-preservation--more than anyone else.
Specter is a fence-sitter--the kind of moderate I despise. He blows with the winds of the political cornfield.
But the Dems shouldn't be too gleeful; he won't follow them on every vote, either. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| But the Dems shouldn't be too gleeful; he won't follow them on every vote, either. |
But he won't be pressured by the Republicans not to follow them when he wants to. Further, if he doesn't follow the Dems on important votes, he'll anger Sestak and provoke him into a primary challenge. He's painted himself into a corner with only the narrowest Democratic path out to political survival. If he doesn't provide the 60th vote when it matters, why should the Democratic Party be loyal to him? He has to prove he deserves the support--embarrassing the Republicans grabbed some headlines, but Specter has a higher price to pay if he wants/expects help when primary election season comes around.
Specter could very easily find himself a Man Without a Party come next election. |
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mole
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III
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Doesn't appear to be going well for him.
Afraid of Larry King?
Not exactly as if standing up to Glenn Beck's abuse.
Claiming seniority amongst dems? He's the NEWest kid on the block!
In making a move presumably to protect his political future, it seems he's showing his age and lack of nimbleness.
Perhaps best to put him out to pasture?
Leave well enough alone?
Quit while you're ahead?
heh |
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