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Gillian57
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 Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 1:12 pm Post subject: High schooler commits suicide after corporal punishment |
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This is just ridiculous. How much you want to bet that nothing happens to the teacher.....
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/05/113_44229.html
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05-02-2009 21:21
High Schooler Commits Suicide After Being Punished
A 17-year old high school student in southern Kwangju City committed suicide by hanging after being punished by a teacher, JoongAng Ilbo reported Saturday.
The male student was flogged on his foot for about 110 times along with another classmate Thursday evening for being "absent without notification" for two hours during self-study session, by a 28-year-old female teacher.
The teacher is known to be a daughter of the school principal. She began to work full-time this year, after teaching part-time for a few years previously at the same institution.
The school, just like many other Korean high schools, requires students to study in school until 10 p.m. on weekdays.
After the punishment, the deceased told some of his classmates that he would kill himself "in a joking manner," the police said.
After returning home that night, the student chatted with his friends online and watched television, before he went outside.
Students in the school told the investigators that the degree of punishment the student received actually "wasn't too harsh" compared to the "usually very harsh punishment." The police are further investigating the case, focusing on how much influence the punishment had on the student's decision to kill himself.
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sinsanri
Joined: 20 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Why should anything happen to the teacher? She was doing her job and she did not make the student kill himself. That was purely his choice.
It is obvious that Korean haters need to chill out and look at things in a more realistic manner.
I am all for corporal punishment as teacher's have rights to, which many opponents to that style of discipline forget.
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Joe666
Joined: 19 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not convinced thay anything should happen to the teacher. Other students verified that the punishment this boy received was below the standard ass-kicking level for this school. If that is true, then why should she be accountable? You can't control what other people say or do!
If there is a some sort of cover up because of the teacher being the principal's daughter etc., then maybe said teacher deserves a reprimand. If there was or is a cover up, we'll probably never know about it anyway. |
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Gaber
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| sinsanri wrote: |
Why should anything happen to the teacher? She was doing her job and she did not make the student kill himself. That was purely his choice.
It is obvious that Korean hatersneed to chill out and look at things realisitcally or return to whatever drug ladened, teen crime filled, and other problems country you are from.
I am all for corporal punishment as teacher's have rights to, whichmany opponents to that style of discipline forget. |
 wow... Can't argue with that elegant logic
Anyway, I'm pretty sure there will be consequnce for this teachers bad judgment. She's already made national news which is about as big a loss of face as you can imagin, and the cops are investigating. Sad story. |
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Gillian57
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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First, corporal punishment is technically ILLEGAL in Korea?
Second, there is ABSOLUTELY no room for corporal punishment in an educational setting?
Third, anyone who thinks that corporal punishment somehow serves to enhance an educational evnironment needs to go back and retake their Education Classes at university.
Fourth, using corporal punishment on young adults is called ASSULT.
Fifth, corporal punishment has been shown by research to NOT WORK. Therefore, its value is zero. Research has shown, however, that it DOES do a great deal of harm.
Now, I could go on but I am going to guess that it would not do any good. |
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Joe666
Joined: 19 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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I don't agree with any type of punishment in the classroom setting other than telling the student to leave the classroom. Which I did do once here in K-Land and was later told I could not do. Their country, their rules. I am a citizen of the U.S. You could never physically discipline a student in an American classroom, ever!
Gillian57 - You are correct in that respect. But this is not the west. I have seen K-teachers in my school wack kids with bamboo sticks etc. I see the same kids get reprimanded time after time. It's almost like you are feeding their flames. So yes, I feel it is a waste of time.
Their definition of "flogging" can't be the classic definition of putting a log between the inner ankles of both feet and then proceed to.......ala Kathy Bates in 'Misery'. It must be a wack to the students ankles with some sort of stick. Yes getting hit on a bone hurts more than on a muscle, but where do you draw the line if this form of discipline is acceptable in a society? |
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dporter
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| sinsanri wrote: |
Why should anything happen to the teacher? She was doing her job and she did not make the student kill himself. That was purely his choice.
It is obvious that Korean haters need to chill out and look at things in a more realistic manner.
I am all for corporal punishment as teacher's have rights to, which many opponents to that style of discipline forget. |
I'm guessing you were a big fan of slavery too. As long as it's legal.... |
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mayorgc
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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how the heck is disciplining a kid the same as slavery?
The teacher's not at fault here. |
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Robot_Teacher
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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110 times of hitting him? That's over kill. Corporal punishment is legal, but going out of mode as it already had in America. I remember my paddlings as a kid, but it was never 110 floggings; only 3 to 5 hits.
I feel that teacher was wrong and went too far with it. She probably berated him down to something less than a spent cigarette butt and the boy bought it and felt bad enough to end it all. |
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Gillian57
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| mayorgc wrote: |
how the heck is disciplining a kid the same as slavery?
The teacher's not at fault here. |
How about what the teacher did is against the law? So, the teacher is modeling how to disregard the law and assult another human being.
Furthermore, since when is assulting someone the same as "Disciplining" someone? Do you even KNOW the definition of discipline?
The teacher is ABSOLUTELY at fault here! The teacher is responsible for her actions.
And for all of you who think assulting another human being, regardless of their youth, is a perfectly acceptable thing to do, consider this:
If an adult has to resort to the infliction of physical pain in order to control a child, then there is something wrong with the adult, not the child. Corporal punishment is the easy way out for people too lazy to figure out a better method for dealing with the situation. |
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Joe666
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't read the article. I was not aware of the 110 times the student was reported to have been hit. Yikes. That's way overkill!
Again, it's not our culture! |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Joe666 wrote: |
| You could never physically discipline a student in an American classroom, ever! |
Of course not. We all know we'd get shanked later by the student or his boyz. |
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Scotticus
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| sinsanri wrote: |
| Why should anything happen to the teacher? She was doing her job and she did not make the student kill himself. That was purely his choice. |
Hmmmm, I don't know. Maybe because she broke the law?
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I am all for corporal punishment as teacher's have rights to, which many opponents to that style of discipline forget. |
You know, for someone who's been on this board for less than two weeks and seems to fancy himself an expert on Korea, you sure know jack shit about the country. Corporal punishment is illegal here. Has been for years. It is not within a teacher's rights to hit a student. Just because it's usually condoned does not make it their right. |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd like to thank Itaewonguy for not chiming in with a tasteless lol at a Korean person's death. |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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110 times is a meaningless number until you know the severity of those blows. The other children are saying that the punishment was less severe than others. I suspect she didn't hit that hard, and the excessive numbers were merely for humiliation.
The teacher, in no way, is responsible for this kid's suicide. Clearly, other factors were at play.
This doesn't mean that hitting a kid 110 times is right. It doesn't mean she didn't go overboard. But you can't blame her for the kid going home and hanging himself.
I suspect the kid's homelife wasn't the best. Maybe the excessive and relentless studying and need to succeed pushed him over the edge. Maybe it is THE KOREAN MINDSET that is to blame.
This is likely just another teacher caught up in a really bad educational system. I'm sure the technique she used to discipline these kids was taught and modeled to her at some point. |
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