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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:


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Leadership skills? You mean getting in front of the camera and sounding smart?


If you think those are the only leadership skills he has, you really are not fairly judging the man. You might as well say, 'I just don't like the man." And honestly Kuros, that's how you come across. And hey, that's cool, just be open about it. I think if he had done everything you thought he should have done, you would still give him a C.


Well, you can clearly stop reading my posts now. Since apparently, I don't like the guy and am not honest about it.

Alternately, you could pretend I'm a serious observer and try to explain his leadership skills, and why these redeem him in the face of what I believe to be manifest policy and judgment failures.

I think his greatest leadership challenge was when Geithner and Co. told him to accept the current TARP plan, and Axelrod and Emmanuel told him to nationalize the banks. I think that was a leadership failure.
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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

richard engel (nbc news chief foreign correspondent) was on bill mahers show friday night. he has lived in the middle east for 14 years and speaks arabic.
i was for some reason surprised when he said that most people that he speaks to in the region believe barack obama is a muslim.
he also said that there has been a significant decrease in anti-american feelings in the middle east since his election. i realize that this can't really be put in the category of "achievement" by the obama administration, but still, thats's pretty good news.
on an admittedly superficial level, obama's presidency has seemingly created a more hospitable environment for progress in relations between the u.s. and the middle east. the hard work is yet to come. but as it concerns foreign policy in this region, i would say things look much less bleak than they did six months ago (except for that little pakistan problem).
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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
bucheon bum wrote:


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Leadership skills? You mean getting in front of the camera and sounding smart?


If you think those are the only leadership skills he has, you really are not fairly judging the man. You might as well say, 'I just don't like the man." And honestly Kuros, that's how you come across. And hey, that's cool, just be open about it. I think if he had done everything you thought he should have done, you would still give him a C.


Well, you can clearly stop reading my posts now. Since apparently, I don't like the guy and am not honest about it.

Alternately, you could pretend I'm a serious observer and try to explain his leadership skills, and why these redeem him in the face of what I believe to be manifest policy and judgment failures.

I think his greatest leadership challenge was when Geithner and Co. told him to accept the current TARP plan, and Axelrod and Emmanuel told him to nationalize the banks. I think that was a leadership failure.


Look, Obama has had a steady communication with the American people. He keeps us informed, tells us what the plan is. It is clear he has a sense of where he's going. How many press conferences has he had? A ton more than Bush. That's for sure. One important trait of a leader is being an excellent communicator. You might make fun of him in front of the TV, but hey, hate to tell you, but that is an important part of a President's job.

And your example is perfect for MY argument. You're telling me a leader should ignore the advice of those who SHOULD be more qualified over the ones that are political operatives? Christ. Why do you think Bush was such a disaster?? In part because he let Rove and Cheney dictate so much!

Obama's strength isn't economics. He knows this. We all know this. And yet you expect him to see through Geither and Summers BS? Less than 6 months into the administration? If he didn't think they were giving him advice, why would he have appointed them in the first place?

I also am pretty impressed by his treatment of GM and Chrysler. While I think it is economic idiocy to intervene whatsoever, I realize it would be political suicide. Product: semi-pandering, semi-pragmatic. That's what politics is all about Smile.

Obama is a lot like Clinton, minus the women baggage: a deft, intelligent politician.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
Kuros wrote:
bucheon bum wrote:


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Leadership skills? You mean getting in front of the camera and sounding smart?


If you think those are the only leadership skills he has, you really are not fairly judging the man. You might as well say, 'I just don't like the man." And honestly Kuros, that's how you come across. And hey, that's cool, just be open about it. I think if he had done everything you thought he should have done, you would still give him a C.


Well, you can clearly stop reading my posts now. Since apparently, I don't like the guy and am not honest about it.

Alternately, you could pretend I'm a serious observer and try to explain his leadership skills, and why these redeem him in the face of what I believe to be manifest policy and judgment failures.

I think his greatest leadership challenge was when Geithner and Co. told him to accept the current TARP plan, and Axelrod and Emmanuel told him to nationalize the banks. I think that was a leadership failure.


Look, Obama has had a steady communication with the American people. He keeps us informed, tells us what the plan is. It is clear he has a sense of where he's going. How many press conferences has he had? A ton more than Bush. That's for sure. One important trait of a leader is being an excellent communicator. You might make fun of him in front of the TV, but hey, hate to tell you, but that is an important part of a President's job.

And your example is perfect for MY argument. You're telling me a leader should ignore the advice of those who SHOULD be more qualified over the ones that are political operatives? Christ. Why do you think Bush was such a disaster?? In part because he let Rove and Cheney dictate so much!

Obama's strength isn't economics. He knows this. We all know this. And yet you expect him to see through Geither and Summers BS? Less than 6 months into the administration? If he didn't think they were giving him advice, why would he have appointed them in the first place?

I also am pretty impressed by his treatment of GM and Chrysler. While I think it is economic idiocy to intervene whatsoever, I realize it would be political suicide. Product: semi-pandering, semi-pragmatic. That's what politics is all about Smile.

Obama is a lot like Clinton, minus the women baggage: a deft, intelligent politician.



Clinton was a a deft, intelligent politician and a reasonably good president but he couldn't find the answers for Al Qaeda, North Korea , or Iran.

Alot of what Bush was up against was because the US couldn't come up with the answers before he was president. North Korea and Iran got to more powerful under Bush's watch but truth be told they also got more powerful under Clinton's watch as well.

Bank degregulation didn't start under Bush's watch either.



President Obama has been smart and modest enough to know that he is not an expert in everything and appoint a reasonably good cabinet .


He hasn't made any big screw ups as of yet. There is way too much unnecessary spending in the budget. Still needs to fully appreciate that without the right sort of leverage there is going to be no change in the behavior of nations and groups hostile to the US Notice that neither North Korea, nor Iran , nor Cuba, nor Russia has unclenched their fist. Still needs to fully appreciate that the US was resented and hated by much of the world well before Bush became president.

B-/ C+
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3MB snarled:

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Rush Limbaugh is a moron, agreeing with a fat piece of crap moron like Rush makes you a moron, too.


Perhaps he is but then isn't Michael Moore an even fatter piece of crap, or do you reserve fatty insults for commentators you don't like?

I give Obama a C on foreign policy to date and a B on the economy. No curve and therefore no slack.
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Manner of Speaking



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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
As I think mises would agree, 100 days is too early to tell what kind of President we have.

If it is too early to tell what kind of President he is, what's the point of giving him an F only 100 days into his administration?

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Furthermore, discussion of McCain or Clinton (unless we're talking about her good work as SecState) is really irrelevant: Obama has to stand on his own.

Well actually it is quite relevant, because within the Democratic Party Clinton was the other choice, and for the US electorate McCain was the other option. Among Obama, McCain, Clinton and Palin, who do you think is most competent to correct the problems the US is currently facing? Obviously Obama is...that's what the majority of US voters thought in November and it's what the majority of US citizens think today.

In addition, does anybody think that McCain would have brought in any different kind of stimulus package had he been elected? The stimulus package and the bailout were completely non-ideological...what the US Congress passed was what all the experts said was needed, and this is demonstrated by the fact that the US bailout package and stimulus package were substantially similar to what most of the major European governments did, regardless of whether they were/are governed by "liberal" or "conservative" administrations. The only reason why some people on this forum are giving him Ds or Fs, is, like Limbaugh, they just don't like him and the party he represents. If it was McCain doing it they'd be giving him As. It's disingenuous.
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I must agree with all your grades here, but not about your paragraph regarding increased troop levels in Afghanistan. No country has ever successfully occupied it. We should get all of the troops out.


Unfortunately, neither of us will get our wish. People making money off of these wars don't want us to win the wars, but they don't want us to withdraw either. Winning the wars or quitting the wars and that's the end of the cash cow for some. They're trying to string these wars out for as many years as possible and milk them for all they're worth.
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good grief, even George Bush thought Obama was the best choice for the country. Just look at what he said in his farewell speech:

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Fellow citizens:

I know the only reason you all are tuned in is to watch nonstop coverage of that USAir plane crash in the Hudson River, so you can whip yourselves up into a fit of emotional masturbation, sobbing over "miracles" and "heroes" until the next little white girl goes missing. So let me start with a brief shout-out to my fellow-pilot bro' who ditched his jet so smooth (just like I ditched my whole jet-flying career!), not even a worthless foreign life was lost.

And thank Christ for that; because with barely a hundred hours left in my term, the last thing I wanna do is drag my butt up to Jew York City and cry crocodile tears over a bunch of dead folks again � especially when I won't be around long enough to use it as an excuse to do something fun and cool � like nuke Iran or authorize a no-bid $100 billion Raytheon contract to exterminate the Canadian Gooses.

Anyway, for eight long years, it has been my honor to serve Wall Street and its coterie of country clubbing con artist elites, the McJesus Salvation Industries, and the Confederate States Of America as the chief executive of White House, Inc. And so this is the Big Adios.

In the spirit of desperate bipartisanship that our entire societal breakdown has necessitationed, and in light of popularity poll numbers that make Richard Nixon look like a greased Chippendale at a bachelorette party, I just want to say that we can all agree on one thing: whether you're an immigrant terrorist or non-terrorist, a bellyaching homo, a legless Iraqazoid, a drowned corpse bloating in the New Orleans sun, an effete Huffington Post-reading urban iPhone zombie, or a Hannity-worshipping redneck patrio-fascist, a negro, a Mexi-rican, a normal guy, a feminist, a stoner, or a fixed income oldster reduced to buying Walgreens-brand Depends, odds are you're tickled pinker than Barry Manilow's boa that I'm getting the hell outta Dodge.

Lots of y'all think I'm a stupid moron. Mebbe I am. But who's off to play golf in a gilded, all-expenses-paid retirement, and who's suddenly realizing that unemployment benefits can't even keep you rolling in beer and donuts? Who's done paying off his loyal hedge fund and banker fraternity brothers with gubbament cheese, and who invested (and lost!) all their shekels with Gandalf the Jew and his mystical 401K? Who's hightailing it back to a swanky Dallas suburb, and who's the broke-assed losers who double-mortgaged their McMansions to buy $4K plasma TVs, thinking they'd hit the LOTTO before they had to pay anyone back?

Who's the dummy, jerk? Like, DUH. THE ANSWER WUZ RHETORICALIZED, YOU INGRATE NIMRODS. Good thing I'm rich! And it's OLD money. Well, at any rate, it's comin' from OLD people! Yee-haw!

So let me remind you all of one thing: when you look into the abyss, the abyss also looks back. Get it? I'm the abyss, you whiny twits. You hate my guts, because I'm YOU. Greedy, panicky, arrogant, and willing to do slimy, awful things to other human beings if it means Domino's Pizza will still be able to deliver two to three pounds of gluten and curdled cow fluids to the Cul-de-Sac in thirty minutes or less.

I get a lot of guff for speaking all folksy, and salt-of-the-earth, like the Texan I pretend to be, instead of the Yankee political scion I actually am. My speechification might be uncorrect, but if talking good is what makes good deciders, then go ahead and elect a lawyer. Oops! You idiot fruit baskets already went and done that. Well, then on behalf of the entire ruling class, I thank you. That's the great thing about our democracy: it's always the same turd, different coil.

One thing about Americans, if they don't fall for the down-home, man of the people routine, they fall for the high-falutin', hope-talking, homegrown messiah routine. Once you figure that out, you can sell lazy to Mexicans. Or drunk to Irish. Or crime to Italians. Or rhythm to blacks. Or hope to cattle, on their way to the slaughterhouse no less. That's showbiz! And there may never be no second acts in America, but you can bet there is always someone manning the ticket booth before the first one.

Friends, power is like God. It talks all kinds of different ways, in different voices, but always tells you what you want to hear. It flatters, panders, hollers and purrs. Whether it sounds like a retard or a professor of used car sales, power does what it has to do to get you to like it, and give you its vote. True story.

The first decade of this new twitshow of a century has been a period of consequence, like that time when you was all mega-terrified that Obama Bin Hussein was gonna crash a freight train full of screaming people right into your local Fuddruckers and I said "Let's Shop Till We Drop!" and y'all were like "On it, Jefe!"

It has been a time set apart, a gilded bubble, a vacation from reality, a drunken joyride in a fancy auto slapped on a Capitol One credit card, a giddy show of carefree ostentation until someone forgot to pay the damn light bill and our national shadow puppet show of prosperity flickered and floundered leaving everyone � except me and my friends � reduced to hungrily sucking fingers that had, moments before, been exploring the insides of a can of a beans abandoned by a hobo.

Funny thing, fear. Remember that cripple fellow that said, "The only thing you all have to fear is fearing fearful stuff"? Easy for Teddy Roosevelt to say. Unlike you all, he was rich and didn't have to fear anything unpleasant like foreclosure or eviction!

Remember who made you feel safe, even if it meant listening in to your heavy breathing dirty talk behind your wife's back on the ol' cell phone, or ignoring the international law we done helped make up, or kidnapping ragheads with bad attitudes and giving them near-fatal freedom tickles.

Most of y'all either loved me to the point of spontaneous ejaculation for doing this, pretended I wasn't doing this so you could return to your Xbox, or were so impotent with rage, you couldn't do nothing but ball up your little marshmallow fists and scribble angry rants nobody read on The Daily Kooz, or FaceSpace or on retard pinko parody sites. That's the great thing about when everybody hysterically shouts, froths, and bleats at the same time and at the same volume: nobody can hear nothing.

Let me tell you something � awhile back, my own party sprung a spontaneous menstrual geyser when they found out we weren't so popular, and might lose an election or dozen, and so they begged me to pull my War Boner out of Vietraq. It should have come as no surprise to any of those good ol' boys that I consistently confuse brattishly demanding my own way no matter what with integrity. Tough tittie, boys. At least history will remember me, just like every dame remembers the first dick who gives her the clap.

And now, I'm a-gonna make amends, furrow my brow, and spin, spin, spin, like a drunken ballerina in a greased slipper, so that I can sleep at night, unlike the thousands of young men and women I sent into combat just so I could say America has giant, barb-wire wrapped TNT cojones. Hell, I'm gonna spend my life playing golf, shot-gunning Coors, and passing out like a baby whose Gerber is laced with crushed Ambien.

But while most of y'all just keep bitchin' and moanin' about what's gone wrong during my time in the big chair, like never-ending, poorly conceived wars with everybody, the total meltdown of our economy, and the general decline of our formerly awesome civilization, I'd like to point out the stuff that's gone right. Ain't no more American cities turned to death soup, millions of Iraqazoids are so far totally shrapnel free, and the possible impending Depression probably won't be Great, but be lucky to be just shy of Terrific.

Imagine if we'd privatized Social Security. Damn, I'm gonna ejaculate.

I need to stop. Let's just hear it for happy accidents!

So... mission accomplishedest!

Tonight, with a thankful, if otherwise empty, heart, I have asked for the lastest opportunity to distort, lie, shuck, jive, moisten my armpits with shame sweat, star blankly into space as some Ivy League twit's fancy patter rolls by on the Teleprompter and share some carefully phrased thoughts on the journey that we have traveled together � oh, who we kidding? I've travelled. You all just tagged along, like a dog tied to the bumper of my bulletproof limo, just a bloody stump on a leather leash by the time I pulled into the parking lot at the Dallas National Bank.

Tonight I am filled with gratitude � for Uncle Vice President Cheney, whose ideological extremism and unwavering machismo never allowed him to fully reveal the loveable, insecure, viciously bullied fat kid he really is deep down inside the shambling, dying husk you see before you, and for the members of my administration who have yet to sell me out; to Laura, who brought joy to this house of death and something approximating empty gestures of support and love to my life; to our wonderful daughters, Jenna and the other one, who I made eternal pariahs; to my parents, to whom I can only ask, "ARE YOU TWO PROUD OF ME NOW? HOW MANY DUNE COONS I GOTS TO CHICKEN-FRY BEFORE YOU GIVE ME SOME GODDAMNED RESPECT?"

This evening, my thoughts return to the first night I addressed you from this house � September the 11th, 2001, the most politically fortuitous windfall in modern political history. The day the fickle finger of history used immense pressure to momentarily transform a stinking turd into a diamond that shined so bright it blinded all you all out there.

That morning, terrorists took nearly 3,000 lives in the worst attack on America since we double-dog-dared the Nips to bomb Pearl Harbor so we could hurry up with the European real estate fire sale we call World War II. I remember looking into the camera that night, talking at a nation of folks so scared, angry, and desperate for leadership, I said to myself, "Georgey-Boy, America is handing you a blank check to PAR-TAY.". Sure, maybe I should had have put my Iraq War plans down on September 10th and paid a little attention to what was going on in the world. But stuff works out, I guess. Well, until it don't.

As the years passed, most Americans were able to return to life much as it had been before 9/11, only with bigger credit lines, more insipid reality television, and even greater mass delusion. It's the like totally awesome 1990s never ended!

But I never let go of the only thing approaching a mission statement my administration ever had. Every morning, I received a briefing on the threats to our nation. I vowed to do everything in my power to keep us safe, including the option of killing all of the A-rabs, versus just the bad ones. And I have kept you all safe. Well, except for that time them two skyscrapers went KA-BOOM! But who's counting?

Over the past seven years, a new, super Orwellian Department of Homeland Security has been created, which is like a feckless, self-preserving bureaucracy on steroids. Thanks to my administration, for the first time in history, the parasite became the host! The military, the intelligence community and the FBI have been congealed into a something resembling a secret domestic police force. Like the SS, only without those super-cool grey uniforms with trench coats that got epaulets with lightning bolts on them. Damn them budget cuts!

Our nation is equipped with new tools to monitor the terrorists' movements, freeze their finances and break up their plots, and one day, those tools will be used against you by whoever is in power, and disagrees with your thoughts, meetings, and traitorous antics. And with strong allies at our side, like Guam and the Snow Mexicans to our frozen north, we have taken the fight to the terrorists and those who support them, which, technically, could be everyone, everywhere, if you spun it right.

Since the God we fight for is invisible, it only makes sense that enemy we fight against is invisible, too. Tricky, no? Afghanistan has gone from a nation where the Taliban harbored al-Qaeda and stoned women in the streets to a young narco-state that is rapidly crumbling back into a nation where the Taliban harbored al-Qaeda and stoned women in the streets. Iraq has gone from a brutal dictatorship and a sworn enemy of America to an Islamist-flavored Arab democracy on track to one day vote to become the sworn enemy of America. Oh, and Pakistan and North Korea? Major whoopsies.

There is legitimate debate about many of these decisions, but whatevs; I'll be worm food by the time y'all realize how good you had it, even if it was one big giant Costco-sized fib.

Our nation is blessed to have citizens who volunteer to defend us in this time of danger, like those years I bravely fought the Vietcong by drunk flying fighter planes in Alabama until the pussies in the Air Force found blow in my water and yanked my license. I have cherished meeting these selfless patriots and their families.

Thank Bloody Jesus on a Cross He didn't give me an ounce of self-awareness or shame, or else I wouldn't be able to look them in the eyes for sending them on a poorly planned fool's errand. America owes them a debt of gratitude, which isn't as good as dependable, quality healthcare. But it's better than nothing.

Anyhoo, if nothing else, I've helped create a whole new generation of damaged veterans who can become annoying politicians who will run decade after decade of jingoistic, self-righteous campaigns celebrating their uniquely noble ability to blindly obey orders and kill people � until a combat-adverse Republican runs against them and swiftboats their butts.

For eight years, we've also strived to expand opportunity and hope here at home, and if you need proof, it's written right here in this here speech. Across our country, students that are still in school are rising to jump through wonderful, new, shiny, meaningless hoops, specifically in upper-middle class tax brackets.

A new Medicare prescription drug benefit is bringing pharmaceutical numbness to buzzed-out seniors and the disabled, and to the Healthcare Junta's tax-dollar sodden books. Every taxpayer pays lower income taxes, money in their pocket they can spend on SUVs to drive over crumbling bridges. The addicted and suffering are finding new hope through faith-based programs that dole out bromides and pious condescension in opulent, tax-free indoor arenas, freshly carpeted at taxpayers' expense.

Vulnerable human life is better protected, except for children without health insurance, the homeless, and most brown-skinned river-jumpers. Funding for our veterans has nearly doubled, from pathetically insufficient for the pre-Iraq veteran levels, to pathetically insufficient for post-Iraq veteran levels. America's air and water and lands are measurably less filthy, provided they are measured by an EPA led by my cronies from the coal, mercury, and arsenic smoothie industries. And the federal bench includes wise new members like right-thinking demagogues Justice Sam Alito and Chief Justice John Roberts who has joined that hairy guido Scalia, who plays Edgar Bergin to his very own Mr. McCarthy, the black dude who's into porno, Clarence Thomas.

When challenges to our prosperity emerged, we rose to meet them. Facing the prospect of a financial collapse, we took decisive measures to safeguard our economy by giving the keys to the Treasury to the pals who brung us to the dance (did I mention the kegger, bros?). These are very tough times for hardworking families. And if any hardworking families moved in my social circles, I tell 'em "Tough luck, suckers!"

At least we ain't all gone Road Warrior on each other. Yet. America is sorta like that plane that landed on the Hudson. In a tough spot, but piloted by a hero � me � who ain't afraid to crash land the whole shebang in a dirty, icy river.

The guy behind the controls at USAir was lucky. Me? Not so much. I flipped the thing and you all are gurgling your last, panicky breaths of freezing sewer-water. But the thing is: We're all in this together. Except some of us are in first class and get vomiting drunk for free.

Our successes are not equally shared, but our failures sure as hell are. In America, it isn't women and children first; it's rich folks and swindlers first. We will show the world once again the resilience of America's free enterprise system. All we need, really, is a big ol' war we can win decisively. I recommend Venezuela. No, better yet, Sandals Resort in Jamaica.

Like all who have held this office before me, I have experienced setbacks. There are things I would do differently if given the chance. Such as... Uhhh... Well I definitely wouldn't have stuffed my package as I rocked the aircraft carrier deck in my sweet Top Gun flight suit. The Presidential giblets don't need no dressing, y'hear?

Yet I've always acted with the best interests of the swaths of country I'm most concerned with in mind. I have followed my conscience until it hightailed it out of Dodge, and then I followed my beer-burping gut. And I done what I thought was right, which isn't the same thing as moral. You may not agree with some of the tough decisions I have made. But who cares what you think?

I was willing to flip a coin and make the tough decisions, even if I made those tough decisions with a BS faux cowboy anti-intellectualism that was just pure contempt for all those fancy-pants smarties at Yale and Harvard who sneered down their patrician beaks at me and whisper-laughed how I woulda been in special ed at Midland Community College if'n my old man hadn't waterboarded the whole admissions department.

The decades ahead will bring more hard choices for our country, especially when you all hold your noses and try to dig your way out of the steaming pile of manure I left behind, and there are some guiding principles that should shape our course:

Be afraid! Of everything! Manically pursue your happiness at the expense of everybody else's happiness! We're all GONNA DIIIIIIEEE!

That's pretty much it. You're welcome, President Smoov Operata.

And so, my fellow Americans, for the final time: Good night. May God, and Jesus, but not Allah, JewGod, or Xenu bless this house and our next CEO. And may God bless you and our wonderful pyramid scheme of a narcissistic country. Thank you.
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For many, his first 100 days have been disappointing, especially to "liberals."

A Lexicon of Disappointment
Lookout

By Naomi Klein

This article appeared in the May 4, 2009 edition of The Nation.
April 15, 2009


All is not well in Obamafanland. It's not clear exactly what accounts for the change of mood. Maybe it was the rancid smell emanating from Treasury's latest bank bailout. Or the news that the president's chief economic adviser, Larry Summers, earned millions from the very Wall Street banks and hedge funds he is protecting from reregulation now. Or perhaps it began earlier, with Obama's silence during Israel's Gaza attack.

Whatever the last straw, a growing number of Obama enthusiasts are starting to entertain the possibility that their man is not, in fact, going to save the world if we all just hope really hard.

This is a good thing. If the superfan culture that brought Obama to power is going to transform itself into an independent political movement, one fierce enough to produce programs capable of meeting the current crises, we are all going to have to stop hoping and start demanding.

The first stage, however, is to understand fully the awkward in-between space in which many US progressive movements find themselves. To do that, we need a new language, one specific to the Obama moment. Here is a start.

Hopeover. Like a hangover, a hopeover comes from having overindulged in something that felt good at the time but wasn't really all that healthy, leading to feelings of remorse, even shame. It's the political equivalent of the crash after a sugar high. Sample sentence: "When I listened to Obama's economic speech my heart soared. But then, when I tried to tell a friend about his plans for the millions of layoffs and foreclosures, I found myself saying nothing at all. I've got a serious hopeover."

Hoper coaster. Like a roller coaster, the hoper coaster describes the intense emotional peaks and valleys of the Obama era, the veering between joy at having a president who supports safe-sex education and despondency that single-payer healthcare is off the table at the very moment when it could actually become a reality. Sample sentence: "I was so psyched when Obama said he is closing Guant�namo. But now they are fighting like mad to make sure the prisoners in Bagram have no legal rights at all. Stop this hoper coaster--I want to get off!"

Hopesick. Like the homesick, hopesick individuals are intensely nostalgic. They miss the rush of optimism from the campaign trail and are forever trying to recapture that warm, hopey feeling--usually by exaggerating the significance of relatively minor acts of Obama decency. Sample sentences: "I was feeling really hopesick about the escalation in Afghanistan, but then I watched a YouTube video of Michelle in her organic garden and it felt like inauguration day all over again. A few hours later, when I heard that the Obama administration was boycotting a major UN racism conference, the hopesickness came back hard. So I watched slideshows of Michelle wearing clothes made by ethnically diverse independent fashion designers, and that sort of helped."

Hope fiend. With hope receding, the hope fiend, like the dope fiend, goes into serious withdrawal, willing to do anything to chase the buzz. (Closely related to hopesickness but more severe, usually affecting middle-aged males.) Sample sentence: "Joe told me he actually believes Obama deliberately brought in Summers so that he would blow the bailout, and then Obama would have the excuse he needs to do what he really wants: nationalize the banks and turn them into credit unions. What a hope fiend!"

Hopebreak. Like the heartbroken lover, the hopebroken Obama-ite is not mad but terribly sad. She projected messianic powers onto Obama and is now inconsolable in her disappointment. Sample sentence: "I really believed Obama would finally force us to confront the legacy of slavery in this country and start a serious national conversation about race. But now he never seems to mention race, and he's using twisted legal arguments to keep us from even confronting the crimes of the Bush years. Every time I hear him say 'move forward,' I'm hopebroken all over again."

Hopelash. Like a backlash, hopelash is a 180-degree reversal of everything Obama-related. Sufferers were once Obama's most passionate evangelists. Now they are his angriest critics. Sample sentence: "At least with Bush everyone knew he was an asshole. Now we've got the same wars, the same lawless prisons, the same Washington corruption, but everyone is cheering like Stepford wives. It's time for a full-on hopelash."

In trying to name these various hope-related ailments, I found myself wondering what the late Studs Terkel would have said about our collective hopeover. He surely would have urged us not to give in to despair. I reached for one of his last books, Hope Dies Last. I didn't have to read long. The book opens with the words: "Hope has never trickled down. It has always sprung up."

And that pretty much says it all. Hope was a fine slogan when rooting for a long-shot presidential candidate. But as a posture toward the president of the most powerful nation on earth, it is dangerously deferential. The task as we move forward (as Obama likes to say) is not to abandon hope but to find more appropriate homes for it--in the factories, neighborhoods and schools where tactics like sit-ins, squats and occupations are seeing a resurgence.

Political scientist Sam Gindin wrote recently that the labor movement can do more than protect the status quo. It can demand, for instance, that shuttered auto plants be converted into green-future factories, capable of producing mass-transit vehicles and technology for a renewable energy system. "Being realistic means taking hope out of speeches," he wrote, "and putting it in the hands of workers."

Which brings me to the final entry in the lexicon.

Hoperoots. Sample sentence: "It's time to stop waiting for hope to be handed down, and start pushing it up, from the hoperoots"
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ManintheMiddle wrote:
3MB snarled:

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Rush Limbaugh is a moron, agreeing with a fat piece of crap moron like Rush makes you a moron, too.


Perhaps he is but then isn't Michael Moore an even fatter piece of crap, or do you reserve fatty insults for commentators you don't like?

I give Obama a C on foreign policy to date and a B on the economy. No curve and therefore no slack.


C on foreign policy? Really?
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
On Foreign Relations Obama gets an A-. There was some weakness at the G-20, and he failed to get Germany to pass a stimulus of comparable size to our own, meaning they get a free ride. However, he didn't harangue Europe, and decided to make a central message his commitment to non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. He dealt with Latin America well, sending feelers out to Cuba and ignoring Ortega's anti-Americanism. He's taking Iran slow, and having Clinton focus on Asia while Holbrooke becomes a kind of Middle East Czar.

On [National] Security Obama gets a B. Obviously, no catastrophes or any of that sort, and that is why he gets a good grade. But North Korea just launched missiles and Pakistan appears to be further unravelling. This area is very hard to get an A in, since there's always some instability somewhere, but also hard to fail in, since there's always some safe area of the United States.

On Economic Policy Obama gets an F. Obama bailed out the bankers before writing in regulatory reforms, and allowed them to paper over toxic assets with borrowed money and Federal Reserve funds instead of attempting to price the assets and operate with transparency. The Stimulus package was a horrible aberration of pork projects and tax cuts, and Obama railroaded it, saying, "The perfect cannot be the enemy of the good . . . we need to get it passed soon," even though most of the Stimulus funds will not come into play for another few months. Obama is trying to fight a recession by resisting the correction, and the correction is very much needed so that the generation that voted for him can actually afford housing. And while he vastly inflates the monetary supply, he reminds us that its not his problem he inherited a big debt, because that was his predecessor's fault (true, but you're the President and you have to deal with that). Bad rhetoric, bad action, and countless waste on enormous amounts of spending, and he promises us he will cut $100 million in spending from a $1.8 trillion deficit. Absolute madness.

On Civil Rights Obama gets a B-. He released the torture memos but has said the DoJ will defend CIA officers, but has been unclear about whether the previous administration's criminals will be tried, saying that 'its time to look forward.' Gitmo is being cleaned up, but the detainees are simply being moved to places like Bagram in Iraq and Afghanistan. Great optics, but a dubious conviction to really address US policy changes.

On Domestic Policy, we cannot grade Obama. He's been too busy with everything else to worry about the environment, health care, or education. Its only the first 100 days after all. Obama has not done any work towards this credit, and thus does not receive a grade.

Obama's total GPA is a C-.


Overall, I concur. I would up his gpa to a B-/B, however. There remains too much hype around B. Obama as the Messiah, etc., also visible on this thread, and not just from the usual suspects, either.

I think you are too harsh on him re: the economy.

I also disagree with you on what you call "civil rights," here. I think you are off point. You are discussing war policy and human rights and not what we usually mean when we discuss "civil rights" in America. These people who you reference are not American citizens or part of America's civil society in any way, Kuros.

Besides that, this reads like a solid evaluation.
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
For many, his first 100 days have been disappointing, especially to "liberals."

A Lexicon of Disappointment
Lookout

By Naomi Klein

This article appeared in the May 4, 2009 edition of The Nation.
April 15, 2009


All is not well in Obamafanland. It's not clear exactly what accounts for the change of mood. Maybe it was the rancid smell emanating from Treasury's latest bank bailout. Or the news that the president's chief economic adviser, Larry Summers, earned millions from the very Wall Street banks and hedge funds he is protecting from reregulation now. Or perhaps it began earlier, with Obama's silence during Israel's Gaza attack.


Well that's an interesting op-ed piece, and yeah you and Naomi Klein are right that there are a significant number of people who fawn/fawned over Obama as kind of like a Messiah that would bring in The Millenium or whatever. I'd be the first to admit there are a lot of stupid people on the Left as well as on the Right...the stupid ones on the Left being the ones that think short-term, are out of touch with reality on a lot of issues, and who mix style with substance.

Last year, for example, it was amazing to see so many articles in magazines like Harper's or Utne Reader investigating and decrying corporations that have sent money into Obama's campaign. There is a stupid element in the Left that thinks if a Left or Democratic candidate is not perfect, he/she is no good at all. A serious lack of porportion.

But let's face it, the majority of US voters who voted for Obama weren't really Left, in the same way that the majority of them weren't Black. They liked Obama because he had a track record and a reputation of competence. The majority of voters in developed countries nowadays choose political candidates on the local, regional or national level the same way they shop for a car. Brand name is a little important, but they look for good reputation, dependability (is this car/candidate going to get me where I want in a reasonable period of time), a track record of "safety" (is this car/candidate going to go off the rails and cause a big mess or not), etc., regardless of what party the candidate comes from. They took a look at the guy, shopped around to see what else was out there (McCain, Clinton, Palin, etc.) and decided that he was the best buy.

Yeah, you're right, a lot of dumb, short-term looking Leftists are disappointed that they didn't get everything they wanted in Obama's first 100 days. Screw them. They don't represent the majority of voters who backed Obama anyway.
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manner of Speaking wrote:
Kuros wrote:
As I think mises would agree, 100 days is too early to tell what kind of President we have.

If it is too early to tell what kind of President he is, what's the point of giving him an F only 100 days into his administration?


That's the point of this thread! Hell, I was ready to let it drop, but once it got to 15 posts I decided to throw my opinion in.

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Among Obama, McCain, Clinton and Palin, who do you think is most competent to correct the problems the US is currently facing? Obviously Obama is...


Well,

a) that's not obvious to me

b) even presuming Obama is the most competent, which is an easy exercise for me because I would imagine Clinton would have done much the same things, this wouldn't mean he is up to the job; again, I can't pass complete judgment on a Presidency in 100 days. The grades are for this quarter only.

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The stimulus package and the bailout were completely non-ideological...what the US Congress passed was what all the experts said was needed, and this is demonstrated by the fact that the US bailout package and stimulus package were substantially similar to what most of the major European governments did, regardless of whether they were/are governed by "liberal" or "conservative" administrations


Just because something is non-ideological doesn't make it less of a failure.

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The only reason why some people on this forum are giving him Ds or Fs, is, like Limbaugh, they just don't like him and the party he represents. If it was McCain doing it they'd be giving him As. It's disingenuous.


Oh, you got me. Yeah, I listen to Limbaugh all the time. Rolling Eyes

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Gopher wrote:

I also disagree with you on what you call "civil rights," here. I think you are off point. You are discussing war policy and human rights and not what we usually mean when we discuss "civil rights" in America. These people who you reference are not American citizens or part of America's civil society in any way, Kuros.


The distinction is noted. I just wanted to limit myself to five categories, and thought the detainee situation was best represented under 'civil rights.' Sure, they're not American citizens, and thus precisely what protections they will get is controversial, but I do believe they deserve better than they've gotten, and as much for our sakes as for theirs.

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bucheon bum wrote:

Look, Obama has had a steady communication with the American people. He keeps us informed, tells us what the plan is. It is clear he has a sense of where he's going. How many press conferences has he had? A ton more than Bush. That's for sure. One important trait of a leader is being an excellent communicator. You might make fun of him in front of the TV, but hey, hate to tell you, but that is an important part of a President's job.

And your example is perfect for MY argument. You're telling me a leader should ignore the advice of those who SHOULD be more qualified over the ones that are political operatives? Christ. Why do you think Bush was such a disaster?? In part because he let Rove and Cheney dictate so much!

Obama's strength isn't economics. He knows this. We all know this. And yet you expect him to see through Geither and Summers BS? Less than 6 months into the administration? If he didn't think they were giving him advice, why would he have appointed them in the first place?

I also am pretty impressed by his treatment of GM and Chrysler. While I think it is economic idiocy to intervene whatsoever, I realize it would be political suicide. Product: semi-pandering, semi-pragmatic. That's what politics is all about Smile.

Obama is a lot like Clinton, minus the women baggage: a deft, intelligent politician.


Its hard to be on the opposing side of an argument such as this.

Its certainly true that Obama keeps us informed, but I don't like what we're being told! I haven't once assailed Obama's character, I've kept my criticisms, as Joe Biden would have me do, directed toward Obama's judgment.

And I grant for sure that Obama is a deft, intelligent politician.

I just think his economic policies are destructive. I think ultimately you agree, but you forgive him because of political constraints. You think he has an obligation to listen to his economic advisers. Well, I think leadership sometimes means looking past experts who may suffer from specialist bias and directing their efforts towards a more general vision. If Obama were to completely override his economic advisers and put his hands in their discipline, much as LBJ did with the military during the Vietnam War, that would be madness. And I agree that if Obama were to, like Bush, embrace Rove's policy suggestions for their narrow political impact, that too would be extremely problematic. But what I am suggesting is Obama say, "Look, Geithner, Summers, I've thought it over, and I do not think giving money to the banks in this way is within the American tradition. Transparency is the hallmark of American financial regulation, and papering over toxic assets with these direct bank subsidies is just not the way we should do it. I want you to nationalize one or two banks, and use them to take over the toxic assets and sort out the bad loans from the good. I have faith in your capabilities to accomplish this extraordinary task."

That, BB, is real leadership. Its not something I've seen from Obama on the economic front.
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Manner of Speaking wrote:
Kuros wrote:
As I think mises would agree, 100 days is too early to tell what kind of President we have.

If it is too early to tell what kind of President he is, what's the point of giving him an F only 100 days into his administration?

That's the point of this thread! Hell, I was ready to let it drop, but once it got to 15 posts I decided to throw my opinion in.

Ok gotcha. Laughing

Quote:
Among Obama, McCain, Clinton and Palin, who do you think is most competent to correct the problems the US is currently facing? Obviously Obama is...


Well,

a) that's not obvious to me

b) even presuming Obama is the most competent, which is an easy exercise for me because I would imagine Clinton would have done much the same things, this wouldn't mean he is up to the job; again, I can't pass complete judgment on a Presidency in 100 days. The grades are for this quarter only.

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The only reason why some people on this forum are giving him Ds or Fs, is, like Limbaugh, they just don't like him and the party he represents. If it was McCain doing it they'd be giving him As. It's disingenuous.


Oh, you got me. Yeah, I listen to Limbaugh all the time. Rolling Eyes [/quote]
I meant Limbaugh is onlygiving him a D- because Obama is a Democrat.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

North America

The Madmen did well


John Pilger

Published 30 April 2009



The first 100 days of Barack Obama�s presidency have shown him to be a marketing exec�s dream, a Marlboro Man for the Noughties � and little else

The BBC�s American soap Mad Men offers a rare glimpse of the power of corporate advertising. The promotion of smoking half a century ago by the �smart� people of Madison Avenue, who knew the truth, led to countless deaths. Advertising and its twin, public relations, became a way of deceiving dreamt up by those who had read Freud and applied mass psychology to anything from cigarettes to politics. Just as Marlboro Man was virility itself, so politicians could be branded, packaged and sold.

It is more than 100 days since Barack Obama was elected president of the United States. The �Obama brand� has been named �Advertising Age�s marketer of the year for 2008�, easily beating Apple computers. David Fenton of MoveOn.org describes Obama�s election campaign as �an institutionalised mass-level automated technological community organising that has never existed before and is a very, very powerful force�. Deploying the internet and a slogan plagiarised from the Latino union organiser C�sar Ch�vez � �S�, se puede!� or �Yes, we can� � the mass-level automated technological community marketed its brand to victory in a country desperate to be rid of George W Bush.

No one knew what the new brand actually stood for. So accomplished was the advertising (a record $75m was spent on television commercials alone) that many Americans actually believed Obama shared their opposition to Bush�s wars. In fact, he had repeatedly backed Bush�s warmongering and its congressional funding. Many Americans also believed he was the heir to Martin Luther King�s legacy of anti-colonialism. Yet if Obama had a theme at all, apart from the vacuous �Change you can believe in�, it was the renewal of America as a dominant, avaricious bully. �We will be the most powerful,� he often declared.

Perhaps the Obama brand�s most effective advertising was supplied free of charge by those journalists who, as courtiers of a rapacious system, promote shining knights. They depoliticised him, spinning his platitudinous speeches as �adroit literary creations, rich, like those Doric columns, with allusion . . .� (Charlotte Higgins in the Guardian). The San Francisco Chronicle columnist Mark Morford wrote: �Many spiritually advanced people I know . . . identify Obama as a Lightworker, that rare kind of attuned being who . . . can actually help usher in a new way of being on the planet.�

In his first 100 days, Obama has excused torture, opposed habeas corpus and demanded more secret government. He has kept Bush�s gulag intact and at least 17,000 prisoners beyond the reach of justice. On 24 April, his lawyers won an appeal that ruled Guantanamo Bay prisoners were not �persons�, and therefore had no right not to be tortured. His national intelligence director, Admiral Dennis Blair, says he believes torture works. One of his senior US intelligence officials in Latin America is accused of covering up the torture of an American nun in Guatemala in 1989; another is a Pinochet apologist. As Daniel Ellsberg has pointed out, the US experienced a military coup under Bush, whose secretary of �defence�, Robert Gates, along with the same warmaking officials, has been retained by Obama.

All over the world, America�s violent assault on innocent people, directly or by agents, has been stepped up. During the recent massacre in Gaza, reports Seymour Hersh, �the Obama team let it be known that it would not object to the planned resupply of �smart bombs� and other hi-tech ordnance that was already flowing to Israel� and being used to slaughter mostly women and children. In Pakistan, the number of civilians killed by US missiles called drones has more than doubled since Obama took office.

In Afghanistan, the US �strategy� of killing Pashtun tribespeople (the �Taliban�) has been extended by Obama to give the Pentagon time to build a series of permanent bases right across the devastated country where, says Secretary Gates, the US military will remain indefinitely. Obama�s policy, one unchanged since the Cold War, is to intimidate Russia and China, now an imperial rival. He is proceeding with Bush�s provocation of placing missiles on Russia�s western border, justifying it as a counter to Iran, which he accuses, absurdly, of posing �a real threat� to Europe and the US. On 5 April in Prague, he made a speech reported as �anti-nuclear�. It was nothing of the kind. Under the Pentagon�s Reliable Replacement Warhead programme, the US is building new �tactical� nuclear weapons designed to blur the distinction between nuclear and conventional war.

Perhaps the biggest lie � the equivalent of Smoking Is Good for You � is Obama�s announcement that the US is leaving Iraq, the country it has reduced to a river of blood. According to unabashed US army planners, as many as 70,000 troops will remain �for the next 15 to 20 years�. On 25 April, his secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, alluded to this. It is not surprising that the polls are showing that a growing number of Americans believe they have been suckered � especially as the nation�s economy has been entrusted to the same fraudsters who destroyed it. Lawrence Summers, Obama�s principal economic adviser, is throwing $3trn at the same banks that paid him more than $8m last year, including $135,000 for one speech. Change you can believe in.

Much of the American Establishment loathed Bush and Cheney for exposing, and threatening, the onward march of America�s �grand design�, as Henry Kissinger, war criminal and now Obama adviser, calls it. In advertising terms, Bush was a �brand collapse� whereas Obama, with his toothpaste advertisement smile and righteous clich�s, is a godsend. At a stroke, he has seen off serious domestic dissent to war, and he brings tears to the eyes, from Washington to Whitehall. He is the BBC�s man, and CNN�s man, and Murdoch�s man, and Wall Street�s man, and the CIA�s man. The Madmen did well.
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