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'South Korea: Way better than you think'- LA Times article
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harpeau wrote:
I would agree with the idea of pushing some of their good movies. Especially getting foreign language subtitles in theatres would really be awesome.


Lotte Cinema has begun doing just that, in English and Japanese. Going to see Eom Jeonghwa in Insadong Scandal later today.


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greedy_bones



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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they need to push the fact that they do, in fact, have the Viking ride at Lotte World.
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mheartley



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Besides the fact that foreign films are rarely hugely popular, I don't know how much movies would help as if they're movies based on Korea (culture, history etc) there still isn't very much there, is there? That's what I see the problem to be, there's just a gaping black hole in the middle of their culture. Japan wipes the floor with them in that regard. They need a different approach, maybe they just need to splurge on tourism infastructure? Say the world's biggest ocean park, or some architecturally ridiculous building that people want to see. Otherwise there's just nothing that a whole bunch of other countries can't already do much better.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea can't have its cake and eat it too.

Right now, Korea is for the Koreans. It seems they want to make it for the world, for financial gain, for recognition, or for some other reason. If they truly want to be global, soooooooooo many things have to change here. I agree, a manners campaign is necessary.

As a resident here, what turns me off so many things is that they're overcrowded. It's like on a Sunday afternoon, I go to the mountain to escape the city, and there are more people there than the city. I don't know if there is a solution to that. Depopulating Seoul would be a good start.

Incheon Airport and the surrounding area are nice and give Korea a modern image, but once you arrive in Incheon or most parts of Seoul, it's old and dirty. And not in a charming way. It's depressing. I can not even count on my fingers the number of pieces of garbage and/or gobs of spit in 1 square metre of sidewalk. Is that supposed to attract tourists, or encourage them to come back?

Korean cuisine being world top 5 is a joke. I am not a fan of Korean food, but I know many people are. They have too much stiff competition from Italian, French, Thai, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, American, Greek, Mexican, Singaporean, Middle-Eastern, etc. Need I go on?

Just another useless campaign aiming at the wrong thing. Manners campaign, anti-smoking campaign, etc. Much more necessary.
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Seoul'n'Corea



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ilsanman wrote:
Korea can't have its cake and eat it too.

Right now, Korea is for the Koreans. It seems they want to make it for the world, for financial gain, for recognition, or for some other reason. If they truly want to be global, soooooooooo many things have to change here. I agree, a manners campaign is necessary.

As a resident here, what turns me off so many things is that they're overcrowded. It's like on a Sunday afternoon, I go to the mountain to escape the city, and there are more people there than the city. I don't know if there is a solution to that. Depopulating Seoul would be a good start.

Incheon Airport and the surrounding area are nice and give Korea a modern image, but once you arrive in Incheon or most parts of Seoul, it's old and dirty. And not in a charming way. It's depressing. I can not even count on my fingers the number of pieces of garbage and/or gobs of spit in 1 square metre of sidewalk. Is that supposed to attract tourists, or encourage them to come back?

Korean cuisine being world top 5 is a joke. I am not a fan of Korean food, but I know many people are. They have too much stiff competition from Italian, French, Thai, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, American, Greek, Mexican, Singaporean, Middle-Eastern, etc. Need I go on?

Just another useless campaign aiming at the wrong thing. Manners campaign, anti-smoking campaign, etc. Much more necessary.


As someone who has experienced ALL forms of Korea food, I will disagree with your view that Korean food is inferior to any of the other greats...
Korea food is highly underrated because it has been an unknown in the west until very recently. Have you ever tried Takbokutang, Jjimdak or Kamjatang from jeollanamdo area? It is simply amazing....
I will agree that Korea needs massive structural changes in business manners and ending feudal era hierarchy would do the country great... but things go so slowly here.
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Yangachi



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe when they understand that it is not the marketing that is the problem, but the product itself, they may get somewhere in attracting tourists.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, what can I say about this? South Korea has cleaned up Itaewon to some extent, is providing more services to foreigners, and that's a good start. It's more effective than slogans like "Sparkling", or "The Soul of Asia". The Hi Seoul Festival is not a bad idea. It's quite all right.

I disagree with the American named Raskin who said Korea's problem is that it doesn't have the Eiffel Tower. France is not only visited because of its architecture. Is it? There are many reasons why people visit France. They are familiar with it. Also, the French, though the Parisians can be viewed as rude sometimes, supposedly have a cultural charm, is famous for its philosophers, intellectuals, and, frankly, when I was in France I had decent interactions with the French. Well, I was in the southern part.
It was easy to talk to French girls and guys my age. I was a teenager.

Jon Huer, though he sometimes says things that don't make sense, he makes more sense then Raskin here. He says that Korea seems harsh, and it's not as friendly as Nepal and Thailand. Korea is not perceived to be a friendly place to a larger percentage of visitors when compared to
those who visit those other two Asian countries just as people say Laos is friendlier than Thailand, if they've been there.

Also, though people say the hagwon industry doesn't matter, if foreign teachers were treated much better on a larger scale, they would say positive things about the country to their friends. In the same vein, if 98% of foreign women who've visited Egypt experienced sexual harassment there, it is going to hurt business. Korea has to care about how we're treated. If we're treated better as foreigners, we would be more likely to be so happy to come again and visit the country. However, with so many folks doing midnight runs back to the US or to Japan.

It's true, that Americans often have no clue where South Korea is or confuse it with North Korea. So do some Europeans. Korea could do something to correct that image and market itself on T.V.
What about marketing the Buddhist temples? Europeans and Westerners are not going to be interested in seeing Korean cathedrals. They would go to Europe for that.

If 4 out of 10 foreigners say the place has no charm as the article says what does that mean? The article didn't elaborate on that. That's so vague. It means the majority feel that the place is a positive place, but 4 out of 10 is a high number. It does mean, as the Koreans interviewed in the article said, has a lot of work to do.

Koreas has increased the amount of tourists, and it's a good way to get hard currency. They should encourage good manners campaigns, because that's important for both Koreans and foreigners that they would want to attract, and also highlight their cultural heritage sites better.
The government could coordinate with certain hotels, tourist sites to promote the country.

A focus on the fact that awesome Korea is being wronged by being viewed as not such a beautiful swan is not altruistic. Korea should genuinely want to welcome foreigners. Hey, if in an effort to impress the West, Korea does something to become a friendlier society not just to us, but to each other, I am for it. In the same vein, I thought it was nice that Turkey abolished certain backward laws to join the European Union.

I will be honest, that I think Korea would be viewed as a place with more "charm" if it treated foreigners better. I think that's what some foreign people mean when they say that. I think plenty of Koreans have a lot of charm, are very sweet and kind. Could the people welcome us more?

Sure, it would help to have the Taj Mahal or the Eiffel Tower, but Korea has plenty of sites it could market, and things it could to make foreigners feel more attracted to Korea. I do applaud the Korean Government for actually bothering to make an effort to reach out to foreigners.

Also, it's good to make the culture and language more accessible.
Korea doesn't promote its language enough. It's good that Lotte Cinema has subtitles. I didn't know that. I used to watch Indian movies with English subtitles.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
Well, what can I say about this? South Korea has cleaned up Itaewon to some extent, is providing more services to foreigners, and that's a good start. It's more effective than slogans like "Sparkling", or "The Soul of Asia". The Hi Seoul Festival is not a bad idea. It's quite all right.

IAlso, though people say the hagwon industry doesn't matter, if foreign teachers were treated much better on a larger scale, they would say positive things about the country to their friends. In the same vein, if 98% of foreign women who've visited Egypt experienced sexual harassment there, it is going to hurt business. Korea has to care about how we're treated. If we're treated better as foreigners, we would be more likely to be so happy to come again and visit the country. However, with so many folks doing midnight runs back to the US or to Japan.


I will be honest, that I think Korea would be viewed as a place with more "charm" if it treated foreigners better. I think that's what some foreign people mean when they say that. I think plenty of Koreans have a lot of charm, are very sweet and kind. Could the people welcome us more?

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Just wanted to respond to these parts of your post. Foreigners (tourists) not workers, are treated a lot differently then teachers or DDD workers here. If Korea was seen as a bad place to visit, then tourists wouldn't be coming here at all, and people wouldn't be coming over here to work. And in spite of the midnight runs, the number of teachers over here increases every year. In the first year of GEPIK they had something like 400 teachers. Now there are several thousand. Until the numbers start decreasing, there will be no impetus toward change. No one wants to rock the boat and risk their job.
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harlowethrombey



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
What Korea needs to do is market through Chaebol products overseas.
"Made in Korea" need to become a well-known (and positive) symbol overseas. Cripes, Hyundai and Kia are well known in the USA, but I wonder how many people actually know they are a Korean company? Samsung and LG televisions are everywhere, but how many people know that Korea makes them?

Korea needs to highlight what's gaining a good reputation overseas and go from there. I'm sorry to say it, but Kimchi and Korean food is NOT what they should be building an image of in the USA. That's OK for Japan, but not the USA. Chinese food has achieved high status in American culture because it's not really Chinese food... it's Americanized Chinese food (much of it isn't even close to what Chinese really eat in China).

Korea also needs to market its movies more. Many of them are very good.

Oh, and it also would help if Korean managers working for foreign companies would stop stealing money. This is a VERY common problem from what I've seen. Foreign companies cannot easily operate here without being burned and/or giving a lot of their profits away to Chaebol partners.



Agree about the products. A lot of people have KIAs and really like them but they just sort of forget its from Korea (me too). But everyone knows Honda, Toyota and Samsung are from Japan Very Happy

Many Korean products are well-made and they should gladly embrace a global role similar to Japan (makers of cool high-tech stuff, cars and weirdness).

Also agree with Korean movies, I think many of them would play well overseas on limited releases. Their sense of humor and drama seems (slightly) more western in comparrison with the other asian countries, but that's just my opinion.

But I think they should push their food more. Having lived in Korea and Japan, and although there are some Japanese foods I like, I find Korean food much, much better. But I'm a carnivore.

One thing the country really needs to do is work on cleaning up their political image. When your former leader is going to have to testify in a corruption case and you have your current lawmakers knocking down doors with fireaxes to try and beat up the other lawmakers like they're all 10 year old boys its an international image problem.
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Choosing brand names that sound Japanese and will make westerners think they're Japanese would probably be Korea's best marketing strategy.
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Ilsanman



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having one particular sight that people flock to from around the world would certainly help their case.

I never thought of Namdaemun as anything special, but it was special to Koreans. Now that's gone.

Korean simply doesn't have anything that the rest of the world doesn't already have better and/or cheaper.

To Seoul n' Corea: If Korean food qualifies as top 5, which ones of the listed foods is it better than? I consider all of those foods to be better than Korean.
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The Gipkik



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean food isn't bad. If you grew up eating it, you're gonna love it. I didn't. There are too many other cuisines that get the nod before Korean food, though: Italian, French, Thai, German, Chinese, Japanese, Indonesian, Indian, Mexican, Brazilian, Cajun, and on and on.
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ilsanman wrote:
Having one particular sight that people flock to from around the world would certainly help their case.

I never thought of Namdaemun as anything special, but it was special to Koreans. Now that's gone.

Korean simply doesn't have anything that the rest of the world doesn't already have better and/or cheaper.

To Seoul n' Corea: If Korean food qualifies as top 5, which ones of the listed foods is it better than? I consider all of those foods to be better than Korean.


I agree, but what direction could Korea go, especially with it's limited language ability and cluelessness about what westerners like?

Cheapness: no way they can compete with SE Asia.

Sleeze: [see above]

World class: no way they can compete with Singapore, HK, and Tokyo.

Massive, impressive things: no way they can compete with China.

And that leaves ... what? My parents are actually visiting Korea at the moment and really enjoying it, but then they have a tour guide / agent who knows exactly what they like and don't like. There are attractions like the War Memorial Museum and Korea Folk Village by Suwon that are world class, appealing to westerners, and could be made even better. But most attractions still seemed geared much more towards domestic tourists. So long as that's the case, I don't think many people will be making SK a top priority to visit.
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Gipkik wrote:
I think it would help South Korea a lot if it finally put to bed the last remnants of its autocratic past. What I mean is abolish such nationalistic programs as the national exercise programs that sound so militaristic and tribal and remind me, anyways, of North Korea and communism. Any more programs you think should be ditched for a country to get real global admiration and attention?


Not with this president, not without alienating the more pro-US political elements of the country, and not without picking a fight with the chaebols.

The problem is that the harder Korea tries, the harder it fails. Buildings with character are being torn down and replaced with soulless highrises. The best markets are being replaced by empty parkland. All those great neon jungles are turning down the juice, apparently because they decided foreigners don't like all the bright lights. Basically in an attempt to impress the world, they're taking away everything about the country that's great. We want crazy traditional neighbourhoods, cool markets, and lots of bright lights everywhere.
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Yangachi



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Buildings with character are being torn down and replaced with soulless highrises


Where are these 'buildings with character'? I agree with you on the soulless highrises, but the vast majority of buildings in Seoul, built during the 60s, 70s and 80s are truly awful and need to be ripped down and replaced with something with more architectural merit and with better urban planning.
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