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Immigrants from the Middle East in Korea?
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Kimbop



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A vast majority of the Indians, Philippinos, pakistanis, Bangladeshis, and 'middle-easterners' are factory workers.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what prompted the OP to write what he wrote? Here is my guess: he saw tons of bearded people from mostly what appears to be Pakistan and South Asians in Itaewon. They go to the mosque, obviously. Pakistanis are not Middle Easterners. They are South Asians.

The Near East entails the Arab speaking countries sometimes from the Western Mediterranean country of Morroco all the way to Iran, a Persian speaking country, and that's the farthest it goes.

The term Near East has also been used by the French and some English speakers, because it is the east near to Europe, and they were thinking mainly of the Eastern Mediterranean countries like Lebanon, Syria, Palestine/Israel, and Egypt at the time and areas near them.

One might wonder what extremely religious Pakistanis and South Asians might be doing in South Korea and how they're interacting with the populace. However, when you use terms like strict immigration elements, there would appear to be an element of strong prejudice vis-a-vis against the South Asians that are coming here.

I was surprised with the number of Iraqis that are here, but I guess it makes sense since many probably fled Iraq and went to many countries.
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wesharris



Joined: 10 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Immigrants from the Middle East in Korea? Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
hockeyguy109 wrote:
I've noticed that there are tons of people from the Middle East living in Korea. They look like they're from India but I can't be sure. Are they here on business? It surprised me, because I thought that South Korea was pretty strict on immigration. So where are they from and what brings them to South Korea?


So if a country is strict on immigration you'll never see middle eastern people living there? I noticed you were a little racist. I thought a certain level of intelligence was required to find other countries on a map. How did you get to Korea did someone point it out to you?

Seriously guy.
Those who hate, those who feel a need to exterminate others, are often times quite intelligent. Insanely so at times. Intelligence, has little to do with bigotry. We'll use you for an example, you automatically asserted racism, when a person asks a question. You sir are in need of the
Flying Spaghetti Monster , PBUH.
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Frankly Mr Shankly



Joined: 13 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've a couple of friends in Korea from Morocco. One started in a factory and now works in sales for a car parts company and travels extensively. He speaks English, Korean and Arabic. The other owns a Moroccan restaurant in Itaewon and used to work as a recruiter.
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 12:13 am    Post subject: Re: Immigrants from the Middle East in Korea? Reply with quote

hockeyguy109 wrote:
I've noticed that there are tons of people from the Middle East living in Korea. They look like they're from India but I can't be sure. Are they here on business? It surprised me, because I thought that South Korea was pretty strict on immigration. So where are they from and what brings them to South Korea?


been outside Alberta much, eh?

they look like they're from India?

well, that's because they're from EX-India.

they are waziristan's cousins, the Pakistanis, and I gather they are mostly here to work in factories, etc.
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hockeyguy109



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chill, chill. Relax. I had absolutely no intentions of judging nor degrading anyone in any culture (I'm not sure why anyone thought this). My question is an ECONOMIC one. I meant to ask, what enterprises do those from India join here in Korea? Most Americans come to Korea for educational or military purposes. I was simply, without judgment, curious about what brings them to Korea.
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hockeyguy109



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

adventurer-
in my quiet neighborhood, I've noticed that a lot of people living here appear to be from Indian decent. In the store the other day, I asked a guy where he was from. "India," he replied. I didn't have time to talk with him. I thought I would come on here and find out if anyone knows anything about migrants from India. People travel for different reasons, of course, but I thought maybe there was a major Indian-based company working in Korea or something.
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crossmr



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not sure why anyone thought this

Because you expressed surprise that there were so many middle-eastern immigrants here and your reasoning for why that was surprising was because you thought SK had strict immigration controls. As I clearly pointed out in my post, you made it seem like any country with strict immigration controls would never let a bunch of middle eastern immigrants across the border.

if you didn't mean that, that's fine, but you should be aware of how it sounds.
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hockeyguy109



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crossmr-
That's what I meant. Korea has tight-a$$ immigration. The only reason I'm here is to teach English. If it wasn't for teaching or military service, there's no way I would be here. They don't just let people randomly move here and start looking for work, do they? That's not just for people from out east, but people in the north south and west as well.

I figured they must have come to Korea attached to a company or enterprise, so I thought I'd ask if anyone knew what it was.
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crossmr



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hockeyguy109 wrote:
crossmr-
That's what I meant. Korea has tight-a$$ immigration. The only reason I'm here is to teach English. If it wasn't for teaching or military service, there's no way I would be here. They don't just let people randomly move here and start looking for work, do they? That's not just for people from out east, but people in the north south and west as well.

I figured they must have come to Korea attached to a company or enterprise, so I thought I'd ask if anyone knew what it was.


Yes, but that applies to a lot of countries, not just middle-eastern countries. That isn't what you said though.

As for people being able to randomly move here, if your country is one of the countries that has a working holiday agreement, yes, you could consider that being allowed to randomly move here for a year and scout out work.

Some countries (Canada for example) can get 6 months just on their passport.. while not quite being able to just move in, 6 months is long enough you probably won't be staying in a hotel.

But most countries don't allow any extended stay without some kind of special visa. Tourist entries are usually 30-90 days wit the occasional exception of 6 months, or just a few days like some chinese tourist visas.
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bogey666



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hockeyguy109 wrote:
crossmr-
That's what I meant. Korea has tight-a$$ immigration. The only reason I'm here is to teach English. If it wasn't for teaching or military service, there's no way I would be here. They don't just let people randomly move here and start looking for work, do they? That's not just for people from out east, but people in the north south and west as well.

I figured they must have come to Korea attached to a company or enterprise, so I thought I'd ask if anyone knew what it was.


ok, I didn't mean that too hard anyways.. just having some fun.

in MY case, I live in a factory area, and there are a LOT of foreigners here... MOST of them are Pakistani. Some Filipinos, a couple of Indonesians, even saw some Africans (as in from Africa, don't know which country). I know for a fact none of them here teach English, and considering the circumstances, they work in factories.

Aside from whether how many have the English skills to teach in the first place, the visa regulations, etc would prohibit ANY of them from teaching here in the first place. (you have to be from one of the seven English speaking countries).

If you examine it, the Pakistani 'economy' doesn't really exist. That's why so many of them are in Great Britain now (good luck, UK Very Happy ) (though it helps with the gene pool)

ditto for Philippines and to lesser extent Indonesia.

I don't know why the Pakistanis make up the bulk of the laborers, may be some quirk in immigration regulations that makes it easier for them, I don't know.. but what I do know is that working like a slave in a Korean factory for 10 hours a day and living in a small and shitty appt like we do, away from you family (even wives and children) still beats goatherding (and copulation with) at the Khyber Pass.

even if they make say 20 million won a year here (which is a reasonable guess, perhaps even too low) even at today's crap exchange rate that's a HELL of a lot more than they'd make in their home countries, and that's IF they could get a job in the first place.

I'm sure there are some non first world foreigners here in more "white collar" jobs but my guess is NOT VERY MANY.

Korea is an export driven economy. The manufacture and export things. Someone needs to do the labor. A lot of native chiefs, but not enough native Indians. (plus they come cheaper?)

they are Korea's modern day version of West Germany's Gastarbeiters
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Gemfinder



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you combine South Asia and the Middle East you have probably two billion people, why would they not be here? How could they not be here? They've been in the E2 seven countries for generations and can come over on a legitimate E2 teaching visa. There are highly educated and skilled workers from all countries; they could be running the factories. Wave to them next time, they are here to tan the species and pass on the creased eyelid.

Pakistan is one of the Next Eleven economies (along with South Korea); they�re not in the lead, but they do have an economy. It�s their government that�s been nonexistent.
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hockeyguy109



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, thanks for the info guys.
I've only been here a month and know very little about Korea. It's good to find out everything I can.
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gangwonbound



Joined: 27 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
hockeyguy109 wrote:
crossmr-
That's what I meant. Korea has tight-a$$ immigration. The only reason I'm here is to teach English. If it wasn't for teaching or military service, there's no way I would be here. They don't just let people randomly move here and start looking for work, do they? That's not just for people from out east, but people in the north south and west as well.

I figured they must have come to Korea attached to a company or enterprise, so I thought I'd ask if anyone knew what it was.


Yes, but that applies to a lot of countries, not just middle-eastern countries. That isn't what you said though.

As for people being able to randomly move here, if your country is one of the countries that has a working holiday agreement, yes, you could consider that being allowed to randomly move here for a year and scout out work.

Some countries (Canada for example) can get 6 months just on their passport.. while not quite being able to just move in, 6 months is long enough you probably won't be staying in a hotel.

But most countries don't allow any extended stay without some kind of special visa. Tourist entries are usually 30-90 days wit the occasional exception of 6 months, or just a few days like some chinese tourist visas.


I think someone was molested by someone from the middle east because he was a little quick to play the racism card there...Go back and play your video games...
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gemfinder wrote:
If you combine South Asia and the Middle East you have probably two billion people, why would they not be here? How could they not be here? They've been in the E2 seven countries for generations and can come over on a legitimate E2 teaching visa. There are highly educated and skilled workers from all countries; they could be running the factories. Wave to them next time, they are here to tan the species and pass on the creased eyelid.

Pakistan is one of the Next Eleven economies (along with South Korea); they�re not in the lead, but they do have an economy. It�s their government that�s been nonexistent.


to compare the Pakistani "economy" to South Korea's is truly laughable.

yes, it has little tidbits here and there (like most places) but it's not even in the Next 20.

link please? to "next eleven" and the guidelines/justification for the rankings/placements?

the biggest'/most famous part of the Pakistani "economy" was the selling of secretive nuclear technology via the Dr. Khan network, mostly to so called 'rogue states', such as our buddy Kim Jong Il's North Korea.
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