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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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 Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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What, we have to meet a certain quota of female leadership so that feminists will be happy?
Horsehockey.
If you look at graduates of medical schools and law schools, you'll see that roughly half of them are female. That we don't see roughly 50:50 representation may mean that 30 years ago there was sexism. But give it another 30, hell I think only 15, and I think you'll start to see women in power all over the place.
There are still problems in certain sectors. Like I believe in the chemical sciences there is discrimination. But its nowhere near as pervasive as you'd like to paint it. |
Since the main problem in feminism is systemic gender inequality equality in all areas should cover it. Yes, there has been progress made in the past thirty years, but it is bloody well pervasive and I don't have to paint it. The wage gap between men and women has been increasing- google it.
I certainly hope you will see women in power all over the place, but I highly doubt it. Past feminist movements coincided with periods of labour shortages. We are in a recession. Women aren't the only minority that are going to be hit hard by it, but from a feminist perspective you can expect to see a lot of the progress made twenty or thirty years ago be undone. Ideologically we are already prepared for it. Young women stopped identifying as feminists years ago, anti-feminist comments are back in the mainstream, and there is an undercurrent of animosity against Western women, as though the freedoms women of the past had fought for are privileges they are being spoiled with.
Read above, there is a man who compares the representation of women in political office with mentally handicapped, children, and criminals. In my possession is a compilation of women's writings from the 1800's with an essay titled "women, idiots, criminals, and minors', which argues these groups do not have the mental capacity to vote or to lead. You will have a hard time arguing to me our current level of progress is sufficient when people are making arguments women fought against over a century ago. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| You will have a hard time arguing to me our current level of progress is sufficient when people are making arguments women fought against over a century ago. |
Oh, fantastic, a woman's studies major. I really don't care what arguments a bigoted few make. The fact that women DO reach the highest positions of power in Western society is evidence enough that gender bias is far more limited than the old girl's club at the woman studies department at X U. would like to make out.
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Young women stopped identifying as feminists years ago, anti-feminist comments are back in the mainstream, and there is an undercurrent of animosity against Western women, as though the freedoms women of the past had fought for are privileges they are being spoiled with. |
But can you fit that interpretation to some data? Surely you've been trained to do that.
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| Since the main problem in feminism is systemic gender inequality equality in all areas should cover it. Yes, there has been progress made in the past thirty years, but it is bloody well pervasive and I don't have to paint it. The wage gap between men and women has been increasing- google it. |
Yes, that's the problem with being a woman. Women have children, so this can take you out of the labor market for awhile. Once you come back in, you're a little less competitive. That's not systemic inequality, that's inherent inequality. Sorry. That inherent distinction (just one reason) why gender classifications get intermediate scrutiny under the US Constitution and racial classifications receive strict scrutiny. The expected relevance of gender distinctions, while still low, are higher than that of race because men and women are biologically different in at least one major aspect. Of course, women can choose not to have children (I'm a pro-choicer here) and that's when they attain power. Or they can make a fundamental alliance with their husband to position themselves using their power (See Hillary Clinton).
And again, using the current wage gap is like looking back into the past 30 years. Law and med school grads, just as an example, in 1979 were predominantly male. |
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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| You will have a hard time arguing to me our current level of progress is sufficient when people are making arguments women fought against over a century ago. |
Oh, fantastic, a woman's studies major. I really don't care what arguments a bigoted few make. The fact that women DO reach the highest positions of power in Western society is evidence enough that gender bias is far more limited than the old girl's club at the woman studies department at X U. would like to make out.
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Young women stopped identifying as feminists years ago, anti-feminist comments are back in the mainstream, and there is an undercurrent of animosity against Western women, as though the freedoms women of the past had fought for are privileges they are being spoiled with. |
But can you fit that interpretation to some data? Surely you've been trained to do that.
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| Since the main problem in feminism is systemic gender inequality equality in all areas should cover it. Yes, there has been progress made in the past thirty years, but it is bloody well pervasive and I don't have to paint it. The wage gap between men and women has been increasing- google it. |
Yes, that's the problem with being a woman. Women have children, so this can take you out of the labor market for awhile. Once you come back in, you're a little less competitive. That's not systemic inequality, that's inherent inequality. Sorry. That inherent distinction (just one reason) why gender classifications get intermediate scrutiny under the US Constitution and racial classifications receive strict scrutiny. The expected relevance of gender distinctions, while still low, are higher than that of race because men and women are biologically different in at least one major aspect. Of course, women can choose not to have children (I'm a pro-choicer here) and that's when they attain power. Or they can make a fundamental alliance with their husband to position themselves using their power (See Hillary Clinton).
And again, using the current wage gap is like looking back into the past 30 years. Law and med school grads, just as an example, in 1979 were predominantly male. |
I am not a woman's studies major, but I think I'd like to be. Women getting left behind because of childcare is an excellent example of gender discrimination. A couple of solutions- paternity leave or decent child care in the workplace.
Look at the wage gap in lower incom sectors, too. |
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Axl Rose
Joined: 16 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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It's hardly the first time on this board that a completely good-natured thread espousing the beauty of Asian women has been hijacked by humongous white chicks screaming feminist claptrap from the rooftops.
Perhaps start a spin-off thread and be a frothing-at-the-mouth, fist-waving radical there instead? |
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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| This server sucks! I wrote an extensive and detailed rebuttal to Boxof Chocolate, but I don't see it anywhere, and I'll be stuffed if I am going to write it again. Not on a thread that has nothing to do with the topic. So, if you want to continue in this direction, which I am happy to do, start a new off-topic thread. |
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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| This server sucks! I have tried to post an extensive and detailed rebuttal, but it got swallowed. In order to preserve the integrity of this thread, I won't put it up again, so if anyone wants to continue along this tired old line of argument, nature via nurture, when is a patriarchy or matriarchy actually not, etc., make a new thread. |
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livinginkunsan
Joined: 02 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the real issue.. is not how attractive Asian girls are.. but more so how unattractive western girls have become. I am talking about the average populous. |
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bobbyhanlon
Joined: 09 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| its amazing how predictable this forum can get. can someone please rescue the thread, with pictorial evidence to support the original hypothesis? or indeed to refute it, with similar evidence of non-asian hotness? |
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sjv8603
Joined: 27 Jun 2008
Location: busan
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| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
Wow, women have the mental developmental capacity of the mentally handicapped and children now? The moral responsibility of criminals? Wow, that's one interesting stance you're taking there. Good luck with that one.
Feminism addresses the systemic disempowerment of women. Would you advocate a white power meeting as the counterpart to racial equality activist groups? |
Not what I meant. Feminists seem to think women are held down in the corporate world b/c not many are CEOs even though women are just as capable, right? But are there laws, etc in place holding them back? My guess is there aren't many sheilas in a position to become CEOs or want to be. But you tell me, I'm not a CEO or an expert on the issue.
About the thread, sorray for getting waay off topic. I agree with a lot of what other people said:
1.) many western girls have sort of let themselves go in figure
2.) Asians are something different than western men are used to
3.) Asian chicks dress really pleasing to the eye
I don't think Asians are any hotter on a whole than their western sisters, it's just you're in Asia so that's what you see. I think women can be hot in every country, and you can't really say 1 country has the best looking broads over all others. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| The men who have the "fever" are pedophiles with a conscience. The body type they are after is that of a 13 year old girl (from their home countries). The mindset that goes with it is often not far off. |
Okay, what about Asian men who are able to attract both Western and Asian women, yet prefer Asian ones? Are they p�dophiles as well?
By the same "lack of T&A" token (I assume that's the token you're using), couldn't you also argue that "men who have the fever" are actually closet homos and don't know it? Sure you could. Give it a try.
All kidding aside now, I can't be the only one who's noticed them -- purportedly straight whitey dudes but with the speech and mannerisms of... well, if you polled 1,000 white women, 998 would say they're gay (the 2 hold-outs being deaf & blind). And yet here they are, roaming around Korea and mostly likely the rest of Asia ... with their Asian wives & their kids. I wonder if these straight-but-gay-seeming guys, consciously or subconsiously, just end up in cultures where the natives simply don't have the gaydar to pick up on these traits. |
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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:14 am Post subject: |
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Hijacked? BS. People claim they are biologically predisposed to liking asian women. A bunch of discussions follow from there. And I will throw down if you abuse western women because I am one. You should expect that.
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Axl Rose
Joined: 16 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
| Hijacked? BS. People claim they are biologically predisposed to liking asian women. A bunch of discussions follow from there. And I will throw down if you abuse western women because I am one. You should expect that. |
Nobody has abused Western women in this thread and none of your comments were made in retaliation to that in consequence. That was the Women: do you feel fat in Korea? thread. |
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 5:01 am Post subject: Re: Why are Asian women so attractive? |
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I have a theory. Even though Asian girls do not in general have big asses nor large breasts, they still manage to be very sought-after by men of all 'races'. I think it's because, leaving aside manifestly obvious platitudes such as 'they're pretty', they have spectacularly pleasant hair - soft, long, silky, and whatnot. Men are evolutionarily preprogrammed to find hair of this description attractive. Males view nice, shiny female hair as a general indication of good health and good genetic stock.
It's my considered notion that Asian women's hair, vivid and visible as it is, makes a guy of relatively normal disposition hornier than he would otherwise be, were he in a culture where the average woman's hair is not quite of the standard of Asian women's (not that I intend this to be a criticism of any non-Asian women)
Ever come across a chick who's pretty enough but whose hair is not up to par? This is unattractive. Hair is important. That's my position, but why else might Asian women give a guy the fever? |
well for starters, you are painting with WAY too broad a brush.
that's like saying "European women", and then comparing Scots to say Italians or Spaniards.
lunacy.
are you referring to EAST ASIAN women?, where the K-gals reside... in a group with the Japanese and the Chinese?
SouthEast Asian women look decidedly different, and even there there are once again noticeable differences.. for e.g. between Thais and Filipinas and Indonesians.
I, for one... strongly prefer, generally speaking.. Indonesian girls, followed by Filipinas. They are westernized in their thinking and clothing styles.. and have wider, fuller hips and lips with duskier complexions.
They also lack the all too constant East Asian valley or flat topography in the gluteal and (sometimes) pectoral regions. There's some "front and back" there, with those girls.. a very welcome respite from say.. Korea.
All things that work better than oysters for me.
to see an Indonesian gal in a nice low riding hip hugging pair of tight jeans where you see a touch of a nice taut and bronzed belly/midsection often capped with one of those hip chains...
man oh man.. that's instant Viagra for me.
Korean girls with their cutesy little too cute fashions and dispositions and a decided lack of hills in the pectoral and gluteal regions just can't measure up, though you'll sometimes run across a K-gal with a truly phenomenal pair of legs, like I did at Jakarta the other day.. She was coming back from Bali with her gf... the gf wasn't bad either. They were from Wonju. They were still wearing "Bali fashion" rather than usual K-gal fashion. This threw off my radar, I initially thought they were Chinese.
yes, almost all Asian women have nice hair.
East Asian women are especially noted for their grace..take a look at stews at KAL and you'll know what I'm talking about. Some guys find this a bigger turn on than others.
but the bottom line is your definition of "Asian woman" is WAY too broad (pardon the pun)
and we're not even including say the East Indians, home to some of the most spectacular women on Earth, like the heavenly Aishwarya Rai
btw alexia.. I see EXACTLY what you see, and that's even without seeing them naked.
not a huge fan of the "general/typical" East Asian look period though as everywhere, you will find hot women almost anywhere... even in say Scotland... or Bolivia.
perhaps an issue is the explosion (pun intended) of big bold and beautiful (and self proclaimed healthy!  ) heiffers in the US, Canada, UK and elsewhere.
makes the non blubbery Asians far more attractive in comparison, despite some other innate "minuses", already mentioned. |
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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| Hijacked? BS. People claim they are biologically predisposed to liking asian women. A bunch of discussions follow from there. And I will throw down if you abuse western women because I am one. You should expect that. |
Nobody has abused Western women in this thread and none of your comments were made in retaliation to that in consequence. That was the Women: do you feel fat in Korea? thread. |
I guess it's all a blur. For the record I think a lot of asian women are very pretty, too. I can see why a lot of western men on this site find them attractive. I just don't think they're biologically predisposed to finding them attractive. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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I like the strength of Asian women. Its one of the first things i noticed bout them when I came to asia decades ago. They have strong wills , survive even thrive in a male oriented societies. They do it with grace. Some WEstern women notice this and admire the way that their asian sisters are so strong. some just become jealous. I like to watch as a smarter Asian woman makes the men around her think they are in control while she runs the show.
The shrillness of some western women , the most privledged women on earth is also a turnoff. |
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