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Harvard doc: Swine Flu created in lab
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ED209



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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:

Can you document that "all fly vaccines are developed from the
Spanish flu?" My understanding is that a new virus must appear before a new vaccine is developed from it.


It's my understanding that there is no vaccine to this virus and that it will take another 6weeks.

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/CT-Company-Making-Swine-Flu-Vaccine.html

The problem with releasing a virus with the intent of selling a vaccine is that someone could easily beat you to the punch(or jab)
Maybe someone is trying to fiddle their stock price Wink
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that is their plan, (and I'm not saying that it is) they probably already have the vaccine, but don't want to release it until sufficient paranoia
and panic have done their work.


I don't know about stock prices, but according to the article, the guy stands to make millions.


From the OP article:

�The most chilling evidence against the Robertson-Novavax (RN) vaccine pipeline, besides Robertson being the �gatekeeper� for multi-billion dollar vaccine stockpiling deals, is Robertson�s influence over the European Medicines Agency (EMEA)�a quasi-corporate quasi-scientific think tank serving the European [Economic] Union and drug industry�s special interests,� Dr. Horowitz said.

Dr. Robertson is the Principal Scientist in the Division of Virology at the National Institute for Biological Standards and Control (NIBSC), akin to the USFDA in the UK.


Robertson�s �Material Trade Agreement� (MTA), covering the transfer of these �biosimilars� to Novavax, is expected to return millions of dollars when the vaccine is sold to governments worldwide. 4
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
I don't know about stock prices, but according to the article, the guy stands to make millions.

Just like Donald Rumsfeld!

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Tamiflu and Rummy

In October 2005 the Pentagon ordered vaccination of all US military personnel worldwide against what it called Avian Flu, H5N1. Scare stories filled world media. Then, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced he had budgeted more than $1 billion to stockpile the drug Oseltamivir, sold under the name Tamiflu. President Bush called on Congress to appropriate another $2 billion for Tamiflu stocks.


What Rumsfeld neglected to report at the time was a colossal conflict of interest. Prior to coming to Washington in January 2001, Rumsfeld had been chairman of a California pharmaceutical company, Gilead Sciences. Gilead Sciences held exclusive world patent rights to Tamiflu, a drug it had developed and whose world marketing rights were sold to the Swiss pharma giant, Roche. Rumsfeld was reportedly the largest stock holder in Gilead which got 10% of every Tamiflu dose Roche sold. 14 When it leaked out, the Pentagon issued a curt statement to the effect that Secretary Rumsfeld had decided not to sell but to retain his stock in Gilead, claiming that to sell would have indicated something to hide.� That agonizing decision won him reported added millions as the Gilead share price soared more than 700% in weeks.
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wouldn't be the first time.

San Francisco Chronicle
January 10, 1977 Front page


1971 Mystery

CIA Link to Cuban Pig Virus Reported

New York

With at least the tacit backing of U.S. Central Intelligence Agency officials, operatives linked to anti-Castro terrorists introduced African swine fever virus into Cuba in 1971.

Six weeks later an outbreak of the disease forced the slaughter of 500,000 pigs to prevent a nationwide animal epidemic.

A U.S. intelligence source told Newsday last week he was given the virus in a sealed, unmarked container at a U.S. Army base and CIA training ground in the Panama Canal Zone, with instructions to turn it over to the anti-Castro group.

The 1971 outbreak, the first and only time the disease has hit the Western Hemisphere, was labeled the "most alarming event" of 1971 by the United Nations Food and Agricultural Organization. African swine fever is a highly contagious and usually lethal viral disease that infects only pigs and, unlike swine flu, cannot be transmitted to humans.

All production of pork, a Cuban staple, halted, apparently for several months.

A CIA spokesman, Dennis Berend, in response to a Newsday request for comment, said, "We don't comment on information from unnamed and, at best, obscure sources."

Why the virus turned up in Cuba has been a mystery to animal investigators ever since the outbreak. Informed speculation assumed that the virus entered Cuba either in garbage from a commercial airliner or in sausages brought in by merchant seamen.

However, on the basis of numerous interviews over four months with U.S. intelligence sources, Cuban exiles and scientists concerning the outbreak � which occurred two years after then-President Nixon had banned the use of offensive chemical and biological warfare � Newsday was able to piece together this account of events leading up to the outbreak.

The U.S. intelligence source said that early in 1971 he was given the virus in a sealed, unmarked container at Ft. Gulick, an Army base in the Panama Canal Zone. The CIA also operates a paramilitary training center for career personnel and mercenaries at Ft. Gulick.

The source said he was given instructions to turn the container with the virus over to members of an anti-Castro group.

The container then was given to a person in the Canal Zone, who took it by boat and turned it over to persons aboard a fishing trawler off the Panamanian coast. The source said the substance was not identified to him until months after the outbreak in Cuba. He would not elaborate further.

Another man involved in the operation, a Cuban exile who asked not to be identified, said he was on the trawler when the virus was put aboard at a rendezvous point off Bocas del Toro, Panama. He said the trawler carried the virus to Navassa Island, a tiny, deserted, U.S.-owned island between Jamaica and Haiti. From there, after the trawler made a brief stopover, the container was taken to Cuba and given to other operatives on the southern coast near the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay in late March, according to the source on the trawler. The base is 100 miles due north of Navassa.

The source on the trawler, who had been trained by the CIA and had carried out previous missions for the agency, said he saw no CIA officials aboard the boat that delivered the virus to the trawler off Panama, but added: "We were well paid for this and Cuban exile groups don't have that kind of money . . ."

He said he was revealing the information because he is a member of an exile group being investigated by the United States in connection with terrorist activity in Florida. His account was confirmed by another intelligence source in Miami. The source said he had no proof that the operation was approved by CIA officials in Washington, but added: "In a case like this, though, they would always give them (CIA officials in Washington) plausible deniability."

The investigation referred to by the operative on the trawler involves a federal inquiry into terrorist acts allegedly carried out by Cuban exiles. Those include bombings and assassination attempts in the United States and Venezuela. Trained originally by the CIA for operations against Cuba, the exiles have become more restive as they view what they believe to be an increasing move toward rapprochement between Fidel Castro and the United States.
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought Ethan Hunt put an end to this nonsense in MI2.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=621043

In 2001, the Bush administration rejected the 1972 BWC, took advantage of a loophole allowing "prophylactic, protective or other peaceful uses," continued a secret Clinton administration bioweapons initiative, and asserted its right to spend multi-billions illegally to develop, test and stockpile "first-strike" chemical and biological weapons that potentially can kill millions.

In his August 14, 2008 article titled, "The Pentagon's alarming project: Avian Flu Biowar Vaccine," F. William Engdahl cited:

"alarming evidence accumulated by serious scientific sources that the US Government is about to or already has 'weaponized' Avian Flu. If reports are accurate, this could unleash a new pandemic on the planet that could be more devastating than the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic which killed an estimated 30 million people worldwide before it eventually died out. Pentagon and NIH experiments with remains in frozen state of the 1918 virus are the height of scientific folly" unless something more nefarious is afoot in collaboration with Big Pharma to produce weaponized viruses and/or dangerous mandatory vaccines that, at the least, can cause serious autoimmune diseases or, as some allege, a Swine Flu or other viral pandemic.

Alarming News about Baxter International

On February 27, 2009, various news agencies including Helen Branswell in the Canadian Press, reported:

Baxter International that "released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed (today) that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses." The WHO said the incident occurred at the company's research facility in Orth-Donau, Austria, but claimed "that public health and occupational risk is minimal" thus far. What's not known, however, "are the circumstances" behind the incident that, according to some, raise suspicions while others call it a willful criminal act. More on that below.

The contaminated product, "a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 (Avian Flu) viruses, was supplied to an Austrian research company....Avir Green Hills Biotechnology." It then "sent portions of it to sub-contractors in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany."

As Medical Director of the Natural Solutions Foundation, Dr. Rima Laibow warns about dangerous, toxic drugs and vaccines. On March 6, 2009, she posted a "Pandemic Flu Emergency Action eAlert on her www.healthfreedomusa.org web site stating:

"World media (outside America) are reporting that Baxter Pharmaceuticals has admitted that it 'accidently' contaminated various vaccine batches with Avian Flu viruses. These batches were shipped to 18 countries. Clearly, either 1. stupidity and incompetence (are to blame) or 2. intentional contamination of flu vaccine lots was at work."

Many Avian Flu vaccines compete with each other, yet they're "profitable ONLY if used in huge numbers." Although "Avian Flu has been slow to be become pandemic by 'jumping the species barrier' to humans in large numbers," might Baxter's "accident" be a way to do it? If so, Big Pharma will score "One of the biggest wins in history."

In fact, it already has after the Center for Infectious Disease Research & Policy (CIDRAP) reported that Congress (in mid-June) "approved $7.65 billion for battling pandemic influenza, more than three times what the House and Senate had earlier proposed." Unsurprisingly, it was part of "a $106 billion (Iraq and Afghanistan war) supplemental appropriation bill" to open a new front at home in the form of dangerous vaccines - perhaps to be mandated for everyone.


Laibow sees a "manipulated disaster of unprecedented magnitude precipitated by unprecedented avarice and greed," and adds that "Baxter International Inc. is no stranger to recalls and lethal contaminations." Its record includes producing faulty infusion and volumetric pumps, HIV-2 tainted Albumin Buminate 5 percent, faulty dialysis machine tubing and blood-cleaning filters, and various other products that should make everyone leery of its soon-to-be-released Swine Flu vaccine. Along with similar ones from other pharmaceutical companies, these drugs cause serious autoimmune diseases and absolutely should be avoided, even if mandated.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=621043

In 2001, the Bush administration rejected the 1972 BWC, took advantage of a loophole allowing "prophylactic, protective or other peaceful uses," continued a secret Clinton administration bioweapons initiative, and asserted its right to spend multi-billions illegally to develop, test and stockpile "first-strike" chemical and biological weapons that potentially can kill millions.

In his August 14, 2008 article titled, "The Pentagon's alarming project: Avian Flu Biowar Vaccine," F. William Engdahl cited:

"alarming evidence accumulated by serious scientific sources that the US Government is about to or already has 'weaponized' Avian Flu. If reports are accurate, this could unleash a new pandemic on the planet that could be more devastating than the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic which killed an estimated 30 million people worldwide before it eventually died out. Pentagon and NIH experiments with remains in frozen state of the 1918 virus are the height of scientific folly" unless something more nefarious is afoot in collaboration with Big Pharma to produce weaponized viruses and/or dangerous mandatory vaccines that, at the least, can cause serious autoimmune diseases or, as some allege, a Swine Flu or other viral pandemic.

Alarming News about Baxter International

On February 27, 2009, various news agencies including Helen Branswell in the Canadian Press, reported:

Baxter International that "released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed (today) that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses." The WHO said the incident occurred at the company's research facility in Orth-Donau, Austria, but claimed "that public health and occupational risk is minimal" thus far. What's not known, however, "are the circumstances" behind the incident that, according to some, raise suspicions while others call it a willful criminal act. More on that below.

The contaminated product, "a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 (Avian Flu) viruses, was supplied to an Austrian research company....Avir Green Hills Biotechnology." It then "sent portions of it to sub-contractors in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany."

As Medical Director of the Natural Solutions Foundation, Dr. Rima Laibow warns about dangerous, toxic drugs and vaccines. On March 6, 2009, she posted a "Pandemic Flu Emergency Action eAlert on her www.healthfreedomusa.org web site stating:

"World media (outside America) are reporting that Baxter Pharmaceuticals has admitted that it 'accidently' contaminated various vaccine batches with Avian Flu viruses. These batches were shipped to 18 countries. Clearly, either 1. stupidity and incompetence (are to blame) or 2. intentional contamination of flu vaccine lots was at work."

Many Avian Flu vaccines compete with each other, yet they're "profitable ONLY if used in huge numbers." Although "Avian Flu has been slow to be become pandemic by 'jumping the species barrier' to humans in large numbers," might Baxter's "accident" be a way to do it? If so, Big Pharma will score "One of the biggest wins in history."

In fact, it already has after the Center for Infectious Disease Research & Policy (CIDRAP) reported that Congress (in mid-June) "approved $7.65 billion for battling pandemic influenza, more than three times what the House and Senate had earlier proposed." Unsurprisingly, it was part of "a $106 billion (Iraq and Afghanistan war) supplemental appropriation bill" to open a new front at home in the form of dangerous vaccines - perhaps to be mandated for everyone.


Laibow sees a "manipulated disaster of unprecedented magnitude precipitated by unprecedented avarice and greed," and adds that "Baxter International Inc. is no stranger to recalls and lethal contaminations." Its record includes producing faulty infusion and volumetric pumps, HIV-2 tainted Albumin Buminate 5 percent, faulty dialysis machine tubing and blood-cleaning filters, and various other products that should make everyone leery of its soon-to-be-released Swine Flu vaccine. Along with similar ones from other pharmaceutical companies, these drugs cause serious autoimmune diseases and absolutely should be avoided, even if mandated.


640 words?????? Please just post 300-400 words and the link!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swine flu latest update from the W.H.O.
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_07_06/en/index.html

Is anyone here worried about travelling outside of Korea this vacation?

I mean people are dying from this flu.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
Swine flu latest update from the W.H.O.
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_07_06/en/index.html

Is anyone here worried about travelling outside of Korea this vacation?

I mean people are dying from this flu.


Fat people with low vitamin d and/or preexisting respiratory conditions.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
Julius wrote:
Swine flu latest update from the W.H.O.
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_07_06/en/index.html

Is anyone here worried about travelling outside of Korea this vacation?

I mean people are dying from this flu.


Fat people with low vitamin d and/or preexisting respiratory conditions.

Is that just a guess?

Anyway, 429 deaths out of nearly 100,000 cases worldwide doesn't seem like too much to worry about.

For perspective, 40,000 per year die in auto accidents in the US alone. How much do people worry about taking their cars?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enrico Palazzo wrote:

640 words?????? Please just post 300-400 words and the link!

Who snitched on me? Must be one of my stalkers.

There are tons of posts on here double, triple, or quadruple the length of mine that no one says squat about. 640 words is near-negligibly over the limit.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, AIDS didn't work on homosexuals, so they need something else. What they should create is a disease that causes "the gay gene" to self destruct should such a gene even exist.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gakduki wrote:
Is an eveny still current when that old thread died out over about 7 weeks ago? Surely there should be an exception in a current event forum about starting new current threads based on reoccuring ideas.
I think the conspircy theorists have a lot to say on this one. It would be very easy and profitable to infect people with a virus that isn't very deadly but causes a lot of panic then sell the cure. Especially if you have in's with the media to raise the level of paranoia. I just love how Korea is buying it up like crazy. Lets hope we can all get a few weeks off with pay! And PS. I believe it's been shown that since the flu vaccination was introduced, the number of infected people has not decreased nor has the amount of deaths, the only thing that will increase are profits and potential hazards years down the road.

Are you calling Dr. Horowitz a "conspiracy theorist?" Or maybe that is not such a bad word to you.

Anyway, I mostly agree with you. But, just "What is a conspiracy theorist?"
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-FFobqCZzs&NR=1

Horowitz names names, says what they did and how they are contributing to/ benefiting from this whole thing. If it's a conspiracy theory, I'd have to say he's really done his homework.

My apologies for starting the other thread, I couldn't find this one. This is still current due to the level of paranoia here in Korea. We are all asked to submit to daily temperature checks and report any health issues immediately. I find the whole thing uttery ridiculous not only because I know it's all overblown nonsense, but also because they are going to get all kinds of false alarms. Yesterday, my co-teacher's daughter had a temperature 1 degree higher than normal. They called her into the nursing station and checked again, it was rising. They called my co-teacher to come get her and take her to hospital. (about a 10 mile trip)
She arrived at the hospital with her daughter only to find everything normal. The girl had had a panic attack because she was told that her temperature was high. Rolling Eyes


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u81Amqt_UpQ
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-FFobqCZzs&NR=1

Horowitz names names, says what they did and how they are contributing to/ benefiting from this whole thing. If it's a conspiracy theory, I'd have to say he's really done his homework.

My apologies for starting the other thread, I couldn't find this one. This is still current due to the level of paranoia here in Korea.

No problem. I know it can be hard to find old threads sometimes.

Anyway, it definitely is still current. In fact, some have said now is when it is supposed to really out, as this is only the beginning of flu season.

According to the conspiracy theorists, this is when a massive outbreak will trigger ordering those who refuse the vaccine into FEMA camps, but they have been wrong about these things before.
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