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ManintheMiddle
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 Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:01 pm Post subject: IS PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA A WAR CRIMINAL? |
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Former President George W. Bush was roundly and routinely criticized for using drones in the war against Islamic terrorists. He was swiftly and relentlessly branded a war criminal by the Far Left and many among the liberal ranks as well. Even Dennis Kucinich, a former presidential candidate, intimated as much.
Drones have been used along the Afghani-Pakistan border for years to destroy safe havens and training grounds of Taliban insurgents and Al-Qaeda operatives. Occasionally the attacks launched from these drones have killed women and children, as militants and terrorists hide among their own. There has been an outcry from Western Europe about this and indeed Afghan President Karzai has complained about it repeatedly.
The other day a drone killed dozens of women and children and old men while also killing known insurgent leaders. The International Red Cross and other aid groups have confirmed the dead, as has the provincial governor of the region. Karzai just brought up the matter with President Obama, who promised that the military in the field would exercise more caution, just as Bush had promised before him.
So where is the clamor from the leftwing media for Obama's head? Shouldn't he also be brought up on charges of authorizing indiscriminate killing? After all, the moral purists on the Left certainly don't want to be seen as holding him to a double standard, do they?
Now, don't get me wrong, I personally have no qualms about these operations if targets have been properly identified and if local military forces are not in a position to intervene on the ground. But let's see some consistency in our outrage or else these accusations are politically driven.
And still the witchhunt against the former Bush lawyers goes on as they pose the easiest targets now that Pelosi has squelched the investigation into Congress that might expose her own complicity in the authorization for waterboarding.
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Bush attorneys who wrote terror memo face backlash
By TERENCE CHEA, Associated Press Writer
May 6, 2009
SAN FRANCISCO � Pressure is mounting against two former Bush administration attorneys who wrote the legal memos used to support harsh interrogation techniques that critics say constituted torture. John Yoo, a constitutional law professor at the University of California, Berkeley, is fighting calls for disbarment and dismissal, while
Justice Department investigators have stopped short of recommending criminal charges, but suggest in a draft report that the two men should face professional sanctions. A number of groups across the country agree, and some want even stronger action.
"We believe there is a lot of evidence to suggest that war crimes were committed," said Laura Bonham, deputy director of the Progressive Democrats of America, a group dedicated to rebuilding the Democratic Party. "We believe the memos provided the Central Intelligence Agency with the cover they needed to begin torturing detaines for information."
Bybee and Yoo worked in the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel following the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks and played key roles in crafting the legal justification for the interrogation techniques.
The draft report from an internal Justice Department inquiry sharply criticizes Yoo and Bybee and recommends referring their cases to state bar associations for possible disciplinary actions, a person familiar with the inquiry said. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the inquiry.
Action was not recommended against a third lawyer, Steven Bradbury, who was head of the office at the time the memos were created, a person familiar with the inquiry said. The person, who also was not authorized to publicly discuss the investigation, said investigators found that Bradbury played a lesser role in the creation of the memos. Bradbury is now in private practice.
The recommendations come after an Obama administration decision last month not to prosecute CIA interrogators who followed advice outlined in the memos.
The long-awaited report is still in draft form and subject to revisions. Attorney General Eric Holder also may make his own determination about what steps to take once the report has been finalized.
Yoo's attorney, Miguel Estrada, would not comment, citing an agreement with the Justice Department not to discuss the case. Bybee's attorney, Maureen Mahoney, did not return a message seeking comment Wednesday.
But at a forum last month on the campus of Chapman University School of Law where Yoo is visiting professor, he defended his role in establishing the legal rationale for using waterboarding and other severe interrogation techniques.
"Three thousand of our fellow citizens had been killed in a deliberate attack by a foreign enemy," Yoo told a packed audience on the Southern California campus, according to the Los Angeles Times. "That forced us in the government to have to consider measures to gain information using presidential constitutional provisions to protect the country from further attack."
"Was it worth it?" he asked, brushing off hecklers. "We haven't had an attack in more than seven years."
John Eastman, dean of the Chapman law school, defended the memos.
"He wrote a comprehensive legal analysis of a gray area of the law," Eastman said. "I think John's legal analysis taps into the founders' understanding of the executive."
Yoo, 41, who worked for the Justice Department from 2001 to 2003, has drawn intense criticism and protests since his role in the interrogation memos became public in 2004.
In December, the Berkeley City Council, known for wading into politically charged national and international issues, passed a measure urging the federal government to prosecute Yoo for war crimes.
Human rights and anti-war activists are planning a demonstration at the Berkeley School of Law's May 16 commencement ceremony to press for Yoo to be fired.
"It's unconscionable that the legal architect of the torture apparatus is teaching the future generation of lawyers and judges at UC Berkeley," said Stephanie Tang, an organizer with the group World Can't Wait.
Robert Cole, a professor emeritus at Berkeley's law school, said he believes the university should conduct its own investigation to determine if Yoo's work for the Bush administration violated the campus' faculty code of conduct.
"The university has got to protect its integrity," Cole said. "Every professor we put in the classroom has to have professional competence and ethical integrity."
California Attorney General Jerry Brown, a likely Democratic candidate for governor, said the memos raised questions about whether Yoo should be allowed to teach law at UC Berkeley and called for a full accounting.
"This is not something that should be swept under the rug," he said.
Christopher Edley Jr., Berkeley's law school dean, has rejected calls to dismiss Yoo and says the university doesn't have the expertise or resources to conduct an investigation involving classified intelligence. A tenured professor would have to be convicted of a crime that demonstrates unfitness to be a faculty member to be dismissed by the university.
"Assuming one believes as I do that Professor Yoo offered bad ideas and even worse advice during his government service, that judgment alone would not warrant dismissal or even a potentially chilling inquiry," Edley said in a statement. He added that Yoo "remains a very successful teacher and prolific (but often controversial) scholar."
In Nevada, debate over Bybee's role has been more muted, largely playing out on the opinion pages and among his colleagues at the William S. Boyd School of Law at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. Bybee taught constitutional and administrative law and civil procedure from 1999 until 2001 and remains on the faculty.
Legal colleagues, while praising Bybee as a scholar and caring colleague, have criticized the memos, particularly for what some of them say was legal sloppiness and faulty constitutional logic not indicative of his other work.
John Podesta, president of the liberal Center for American Progress and the leader of President Barack Obama's transition team, said, "If he would do the right thing, he should just simply resign."
If he doesn't quit, Podesta said, he should be removed from office.
Nevada Republican Sen. John Ensign, who with Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., sponsored Bybee for the federal judgeship, has defended him and said calls for his impeachment were "outrageous."
"To call for him to be impeached when he was trying to give the proper legal advice is just ridiculous," Ensign told the Las Vegas Review-Journal.
Reid, who has said he was disturbed by the memos, has taken a wait and see attitude.
Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., a member of the House Judiciary Committee, said impeachment was a "possibility a little down the road," but said he first wanted to see the pending Justice Department report.
He said if the report indicates "Bybee violated professional ethics, we'll have to see whether a special counsel is appointed and the impeachment issue will come after that."
Associated Press Writers Paul Elias in San Francisco, Tom Tait in Las Vegas, and Devlin Barrett and Larry Margasak in Washington contributed to this report. |
Yes, it's a good thing that the School of Law faculty is looking out for the best interests of its students and upholding the moral integrity of Berkeley, that West Coast bastion of academic sifting and winnowing. I'm sure they are equally appalled by the indoctrination of other faculty in the humanities of undergraduates on a daily basis and support the dismissal of Ward Churchill from the University of Colorado.
And if any Democrat from the Bay area (re: Pelosi) had anything whatsoever to do with the waterboarding, I'm sure they'll pursue the allegations with equal zeal just as I'm sure that....
pigs will soon fly.
C'mon, even you leftwingers should be able to admit to the utter hypocrisy of these recent events? |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| C'mon, even you leftwingers should be able to admit to the utter hypocrisy of these recent events? |
Should ..... could...would....................won't. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 7:18 am Post subject: |
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Absolutely!
Can we try both Bush and Obama together as co-defendants so as to save taxpayer money? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Scores of innocent women and children (and men) have bee murdered by these air strikes. They are hugely immoral.
I don't know anything about the laws of war, so I can't say if Obama is a war criminal. If he violated them, then he is. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Likewise i know little about the laws of war but these strikes have damaged N.A.t.O.s attempt to bring stability to Afghanistan and pakistan. Pelosi , I would hope that an investigation of torture and perhaps some tiype of prosecution would include Pelosi. The acts of the U.s. military and the torture program are seperate, and shouldnt be muddled. |
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