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winterwawa



Joined: 06 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 11:15 pm    Post subject: Kyosupso-what are they? Reply with quote

It's my understanding that there are study rooms called kyosupso (one man hagwon) Does anyone know anything about the regulations for opening one of these?

If I have 50,000,000 won, can I open a kyosupso, get a business license and change my VISA to a business VISA? Can the kyosupso address and my resident address be the same, or do I have to have a separate address for each?

Any information would be helpful. BTW, I am in Daejeon, the center of bureaucratic stupidity.
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skindleshanks



Joined: 10 May 2004

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A 공부방 is in your own home, a 교습소 is in another building. I doubt if you would be able to find a place that is small enough for a 교습소 that would take a 50mil investment to start up. Our hagwon cost far less than that.
If you want to go into business, go the hagwon route. You will need a korean partner, though.
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meangradin



Joined: 10 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I have 50,000,000 won, can I open a kyosupso, get a business license and change my VISA to a business VISA? Can the kyosupso address and my resident address be the same, or do I have to have a separate address for each?


From what I understand, you can not own a school of any form in Korea unless you have an F-5 visa or a Korean citizen. However, I could be wrong.

Quote:
If you want to go into business, go the hagwon route. You will need a korean partner, though.


I totaly agree with this. We (my wife and I) opened our hagwon two moths ago and we have only a few spaces left. IMO, if you are a foreigner with a good teaching record, then now is the time to buy, as many Korean owned schools have gone the way of the Dino and there are some great deals to be had. But your partner should be some you absolutely trust!
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

meangradin wrote:
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I have 50,000,000 won, can I open a kyosupso, get a business license and change my VISA to a business VISA? Can the kyosupso address and my resident address be the same, or do I have to have a separate address for each?


From what I understand, you can not own a school of any form in Korea unless you have an F-5 visa or a Korean citizen. However, I could be wrong.


Actually F-2ers can do it as well. I personally know two people on a F-2 visa who've opened their own schools.
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BigBuds



Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
meangradin wrote:
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I have 50,000,000 won, can I open a kyosupso, get a business license and change my VISA to a business VISA? Can the kyosupso address and my resident address be the same, or do I have to have a separate address for each?


From what I understand, you can not own a school of any form in Korea unless you have an F-5 visa or a Korean citizen. However, I could be wrong.


Actually F-2ers can do it as well. I personally know two people on a F-2 visa who've opened their own schools.


TheUrbanMyth is correct.

You can do it on an F-2 visa. I opened up two businesses on an F-2 visa long before I even applied for my F-5 visa.
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BigBuds



Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
meangradin wrote:
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I have 50,000,000 won, can I open a kyosupso, get a business license and change my VISA to a business VISA? Can the kyosupso address and my resident address be the same, or do I have to have a separate address for each?


From what I understand, you can not own a school of any form in Korea unless you have an F-5 visa or a Korean citizen. However, I could be wrong.


Actually F-2ers can do it as well. I personally know two people on a F-2 visa who've opened their own schools.


TheUrbanMyth is correct.

You can do it on an F-2 visa. I opened up two businesses on an F-2 visa long before I even applied for my F-5 visa.
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BigBuds



Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
meangradin wrote:
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I have 50,000,000 won, can I open a kyosupso, get a business license and change my VISA to a business VISA? Can the kyosupso address and my resident address be the same, or do I have to have a separate address for each?


From what I understand, you can not own a school of any form in Korea unless you have an F-5 visa or a Korean citizen. However, I could be wrong.


Actually F-2ers can do it as well. I personally know two people on a F-2 visa who've opened their own schools.


TheUrbanMyth is correct.

You can do it on an F-2 visa. I opened up two businesses on an F-2 visa long before I even applied for my F-5 visa.
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winterwawa



Joined: 06 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies. I have an F2 VISA, but my wife and I are getting divorced, so I don't know how that will affect what I can or can't do. I was told that with 50mil in the bank that one can get a business VISA, maybe I was misinformed. But I do know from the MOJ homepage that there is a D8 VISA for a foreign direct investment of 50mil. That is what I am hoping to get since immi will more than likely force me back on an E1 even though the divorce is her fault.

I would go with a hagwon but I don't think 50mil is enough to start a hagwon. That would barely cover the rent on the building. Never-the-less, I am curious as to what the requirements are. Why do I need a Korean partner?

BigBuds, what kind of businesses did you open? What was required? Did you have to have your wife with you? Any information would be appreciated.

Cheers
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skindleshanks



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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you can get the investors visa, but only if you have a Korean partner. I have heard of people starting hagwons in Korea this way.

Success in a hagwon is not only dependent in good teaching, but on good counseling of Korean mothers. They are your customers, and if they aren't happy, your business will fail. If you don't have a talented Korean wife, or a Korean partner whom you trust completely, don't bother.
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Hyeon Een



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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

meangradin wrote:


I totaly agree with this. We (my wife and I) opened our hagwon two moths ago and we have only a few spaces left. IMO, if you are a foreigner with a good teaching record, then now is the time to buy, as many Korean owned schools have gone the way of the Dino and there are some great deals to be had.


Is there a website with hagwans for sale?
"50 pyeong, 6 classrooms, 40 students, 1 foreigner included (visa expires January 2010). W2000만원 OBO" type thing?
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
meangradin wrote:
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I have 50,000,000 won, can I open a kyosupso, get a business license and change my VISA to a business VISA? Can the kyosupso address and my resident address be the same, or do I have to have a separate address for each?


From what I understand, you can not own a school of any form in Korea unless you have an F-5 visa or a Korean citizen. However, I could be wrong.


Actually F-2ers can do it as well. I personally know two people on a F-2 visa who've opened their own schools.


I did it also on an F-2, and got an F-5 thanks to it Smile.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skindleshanks wrote:
I think you can get the investors visa, but only if you have a Korean partner. I have heard of people starting hagwons in Korea this way.

Success in a hagwon is not only dependent in good teaching, but on good counseling of Korean mothers. They are your customers, and if they aren't happy, your business will fail. If you don't have a talented Korean wife, or a Korean partner whom you trust completely, don't bother.


I hired an assistant. 50% of her time is talking to mothers, the other 50% is administration.

It works like a charm.

But I can only give you one advise, don't listen too much too mothers.

The best thing you can do is a regular assessment of the childrens' improvements and an overview of what you covered.

If you can build a relationship of trust, and the children do improve, these mothers will stick to you like glue.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hyeon Een wrote:
meangradin wrote:


I totaly agree with this. We (my wife and I) opened our hagwon two moths ago and we have only a few spaces left. IMO, if you are a foreigner with a good teaching record, then now is the time to buy, as many Korean owned schools have gone the way of the Dino and there are some great deals to be had.


Is there a website with hagwans for sale?
"50 pyeong, 6 classrooms, 40 students, 1 foreigner included (visa expires January 2010). W2000만원 OBO" type thing?


http://www.dmc114.co.kr/?cs_nc

2,000만원 isn't even in the right zip code.
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winterwawa



Joined: 06 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I talked to a real estate agent in shintanjin yesterday and he showed me a kyosupso that is already set up and ready to move into. The business is, in fact, part of your home, but separate from it. The office is in the front of the unit and a one room apartment is in the back. The two are separated by a wall and a sliding door. So it isn't exactly like a room in your apartment, but a living space is provided, thus I do not have to rent two separate places.

The big question is whether

1.) the MOE will allow me to register a business on a F2 that has to be renewed every three months?

2.) Will immigration count this as a real business and give me a business VISA or at least let me keep my F2 after my divorce?

I have the 50million won required so I shouldn't need a Korean partner. If I need to, I can hire a part time secretary to help me deal with the parents and do administrative stuff. But I would rather not have a Korean partner.
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skindleshanks



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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may be way off here, but i was under the impression that the Korean partner is a requirement IN ADDITION to the 50 million won investment--the idea being that you won't just make your money and get out, but make a significant contribution to the local economy.
Can't remember where, but I read somewhere that this is the reason IKEA won't open in Korea--their company policy forbids taking on a local partner (as, say Toys-R-Us did).

If you could get your wife to wait until you got the F-5 and became your own sponsor, then things would be different.
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