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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 5:59 am Post subject: James Carville: 40 More Years |
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Tee-hee, tee-hee!
Carville's new book "40 More Years: How the Democrats Will Rule the Next Generation" is coming out tomorrow. From Amazon.com:
"Product Description
Every four years Americans hold a presidential election. Somebody wins and somebody loses. That's life. But 2008 was an anomaly. The election of President Barack Obama is about something far bigger than four or even eight years in the White House. Since 2004, Americans have been witnessing and participating in the emergence of a Democratic majority that will last not four but forty years.
To understand the emergence of a lasting Democratic majority we'll first have to spend a few moments reviewing the profound and relentless incompetence of the Bush administration -- and the pursuant collapse of the Republican Party. That means looking back at the failure of Republican ideas -- including a wholesale rejection of the myth of conservative superiority on the economy -- and holding our noses long enough to survey the gallery of truly repellent scoundrels, scandals, and screwups that the Republican Party has been responsible for over the last eight years.
After completing the unpleasant but edifying task of autopsying the Republican Party, we'll examine the underpinnings of Democratic victories in 2004, 2006, and 2008 -- and make the argument for why Democrats are going to keep winning. (Two words: young people.) In short, the Republicans are going to keep getting spanked again and again for forty more years because we're right and they're wrong, and Americans know it.
Tee-hee, tee-hee!
Yes, I know Karl Rove predicted a permanent Republican majority 3 years ago and look at them now, but he wasn't paying any attention to the cycles of American history. And yes, I know things could blow up in Obama's face, but if they do, where can the voting public go for an alternative? Mitch McConnell? (Who?) I don't think so.
For a clip of Carville talking about the book and what could go wrong, go here:
http://abcnews.go.com/thisweek and go down the right side to a little picture of Carville with the title: Republicans try to come back.
I don't care if he's literally right about the 40 years. There ain't no way I'm making it to 99 3/4 years old. I'll settle for half of that, but I'd be as happy as a pig in you-know-what if I can die knowing the Republicans will be as disgruntled as I've been for the last 40 years.
Tee-hee, tee-hee! |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: China
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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I am a very devout Democrat but if we stay in power for forty year, I hope that their is a strong opposition party to keep us in check. Yet I see no hope for the Republicans for at least a decade. Conservative Republicans not neo-cons, not religious freaks need to begin organizing a new party today. The Republican party has left it's sane members in limbo. But I believe that the Democrats have the right ideas tooo steer America is a post-industrial, age in an increasingly diverse country. WE have seen what happens when those who believe jesus is coming soon and what we do doesnt matter, seize control. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-Ta,
I don't understand why this makes you happy. This kind of hubris is embarrassing. |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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How the Democrats Will Rule the Next Generation |
Excuse me, did he say rule? |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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You are forgetting how short the American memory is. Even the fallout from Watergate lasted only one election cycle. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 6:13 am Post subject: |
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Kuros wrote: |
Ya-Ta,
I don't understand why this makes you happy. This kind of hubris is embarrassing. |
It's simple really. American history works itself out in cycles (at least a whole boatload of historians think it does) and Carville is simply saying we just saw the latest shift between the poles.
Methinks you lack the quality of empathy. You are approximately the age I was when Nixon came to power. In 2049 (the centennial of my birth--no doubt a national holiday by then!) your guys will come to power. How do you think you will feel at that point?
Carville is only pointing to the historical phenomenon in our country of the alternating realignments of power. Nothing is permanent, but it's the anally retentive up-tight who can't express their joy when they 'win'. Nothing embarrassing about it. Emotional repression is a Victorian cultural value. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Kuros wrote: |
Ya-Ta,
I don't understand why this makes you happy. This kind of hubris is embarrassing. |
It's simple really. American history works itself out in cycles (at least a whole boatload of historians think it does) and Carville is simply saying we just saw the latest shift between the poles.
Methinks you lack the quality of empathy. You are approximately the age I was when Nixon came to power. In 2049 (the centennial of my birth--no doubt a national holiday by then!) your guys will come to power. How do you think you will feel at that point? |
Who are my guys, exactly? |
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dporter

Joined: 26 Apr 2009
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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dems vs repubs is a false paradigm that gives the illusion of choice.
in reality, the parties are simply two faces of a pro-war, pro-big business, anti-liberty monster. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Who are my guys, exactly? |
The ones who play for the 'other' team? |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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dporter wrote: |
dems vs repubs is a false paradigm that gives the illusion of choice.
in reality, the parties are simply two faces of a pro-war, pro-big business, anti-liberty monster. |
It is important to note the function of Barack Obama and the Democratic Party here, which is to channel the sentiment of the disgruntled masses into remaining invested in the status quo while paying lip service to the illusion of "hope and change."
BO, who has been handpicked, vetted, and financed by finance capital, has now shown where his loyalties lie. In the Senate he voted AGAINST a 30% cap on credit card rates, he wants to put the Fed, which is responsible for the current financial disaster, in charge of all other banks, and just about every position in his cabinet has been filled with the same Wall Street people in order to effect the final, total plunder of the little wealth left to the masses. And of course he is continuing all of the war-mongering of his predecessor.
"Hope and change" alright. We can "hope" that we get to keep some of the "change." |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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I guarantee that it will not take 40 years for the Republicians to come back into power. That's simply a combination of stupidity and wishful thinking talking. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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Who are my guys, exactly? |
The ones who play for the 'other' team? |
I would be behind Obama if Obama had said, "Instead of plowing billions of dollars into the auto companies and into dubious projects, I'm going to spend that money on public health care and entitlement reform (particular emphasis on medicaid, medicare). Instead of lending trillions of dollars to the banks on borrowed and invented money, I will sell public land off to nationalize a few banks and absorb the bad loans."
For me politics is extremely subservient to actual policy. You know I haven't said a word against Obama's foreign policy. Could it be I agree with exactly what he's doing? |
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Axl Rose

Joined: 16 Feb 2006
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: James Carville: 40 More Years |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Tee-hee, tee-hee!
Carville's new book "40 More Years: How the Democrats Will Rule the Next Generation" is coming out tomorrow. From Amazon.com:
Tee-hee, tee-hee! |
Good grief. Heroes and villains much? |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 6:46 am Post subject: |
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The Republican Party might be almost dead - hurray! But, the Democrats will only get 8 to 12 years - Obama, Obama, ?? Hillary ?? (whoever) and then ... whoosh ..... they'll be out.
Remember the Reagan, Reagan, Bush ... whoosh ... years ...
But, if the Republican Party dies, who will push the Democratic Party back into the minority where it should be ... ? Greens, Libertarians, some new alternative ... anyway, it's better to wait a little longer if that will kill the Republicans forever.
As to Carville, he's a political hack and not very bright - smarter than his favorite homeboys, the Clintons - but not very bright. His opinions have little value. |
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