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phoneboothface
Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 6:16 am Post subject: Have you gotten your landlord to lower the deposit before? |
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The difference between apartments at 10m/600k and 5m/500k is huge I think.
Anyways have you gotten your landlord to lower the deposit? How?
Any magic words? ><
I'd rather pay 5m/650k than 10m/600k for example... |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 6:25 am Post subject: |
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Yes - been there, done it.
The prices are negotiable - you gotta get your estate agent to work it for you and they will because they want your commission.
Actually, 5m = 50K, so 10/600 = 5/550. |
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Bibbitybop

Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Yes. Instead of 10 million down and 500,000 a month I paid 2 million down and 700,000 a month. |
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Jeweltone
Joined: 29 Mar 2005 Location: Seoul, S. Korea
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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This worked for me:
1. Take a Korean friend and chat up the landlord. Find out if there are any mutual connections, acquaintances. or friends; this is what Koreans do to network and get favors.
2. Give him your business card. If you don't have one, they are quite easy to get made up...or make them yourself.
3. Keep a good relationship with your landlord after you move in.
RESULTS:
1. I got $150/month knocked off my monthly with 5m down; my landlord and I discovered that his son had just graduated from the uni I was teaching at.
2. I left business cards everywhere I expressed interest in an apartment. The landlords were more than willing to negotiate once they realized I was legitimately employed.
3. I always greeted my landlord and his family when I saw them. Although Mr. Park's English was limited, we managed to communicate (his daughter was pretty fluent). When my washing machine flooded during my first week in the apartment, he was able to help me get a repairman (there was an ahjumma slipper booty stuck in the trap...not mine!) at no charge. As a thank-you, I had my family send out some See's Candies and gave them to his family. When I had to break my lease due to a critical illness that took me back to the USA for treatment, he was very fair in returning my deposit (although it pissed off his wife!).
Finally, remember that you are not just shopping for an apartment, you are shopping for a landlord. Use your people sense to weed out the crooks and psychos. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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This might not be of any use, it might not apply due to various factors, the amounts involved just might not be doable, etc., etc., BUT....
On three separate occasions, with three different landlords--none of whom really wanted to consider or even understood my little scheme at the outset--and three different properties (1 an office, 1 an officetel, and 1 what they call a "다가구" ... not really an apartment/villa, not really a house... sort of a higgledy-piggledy "Haebangcheon Special") I got the landlord to:
-- drop the entire deposit
AND, in two cases,
-- lower the rent a bit....
in return for: full rent up front covering the period of the contract.
Depending on the monthly, the deposit, and the period, your up-front rent payment might well be around (or even less?) than you'd otherwise have to pony up for the deposit alone.
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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It was 5 mill/350 thou a month where I am, downtown Tongyeong two blocks from the turtle ship in the bay.
But my director went with 10 mill/300 thou to save 50 thou a month (even though that's bad for him I think, as the extra 5 mill deposit could've earned more just sitting in the bank than the 50 thou "saved" per month).
One has to look at the opportunity costs of the money put down. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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VanIslander wrote: |
One has to look at the opportunity costs of the money put down. |
Not just that. Well, in one of my no-deposit/rent-up-front deals, it was a lot cheaper in the end to do it that way. But mainly, in the other cases, it just so happened that at the time I was looking to rent or lease, many of my foreign friends and a few of my Korean ones were getting badly jerked around by landlords who wouldn't/couldn't return their deposits. BIG deposits. So they were all stuck in place, for MONTHS, some of them -- people couldn't pay their required deposits on new places, people couldn't leave the country when they were supposed to. By god, I was determined to find me a way around this nonsense. |
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crossmr

Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:02 am Post subject: |
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JongnoGuru wrote: |
This might not be of any use, it might not apply due to various factors, the amounts involved just might not be doable, etc., etc., BUT....
On three separate occasions, with three different landlords--none of whom really wanted to consider or even understood my little scheme at the outset--and three different properties (1 an office, 1 an officetel, and 1 what they call a "다가구" ... not really an apartment/villa, not really a house... sort of a higgledy-piggledy "Haebangcheon Special") I got the landlord to:
-- drop the entire deposit
AND, in two cases,
-- lower the rent a bit....
in return for: full rent up front covering the period of the contract.
Depending on the monthly, the deposit, and the period, your up-front rent payment might well be around (or even less?) than you'd otherwise have to pony up for the deposit alone. |
How much was the initial deposit/rent in this cases?
I could see some landlords doing this if the deposit was small and the rent high. say 500/70 or something like that, but not if it is something like 5000/20. |
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Otherside
Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:32 am Post subject: |
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VanIslander wrote: |
It was 5 mill/350 thou a month where I am, downtown Tongyeong two blocks from the turtle ship in the bay.
But my director went with 10 mill/300 thou to save 50 thou a month (even though that's bad for him I think, as the extra 5 mill deposit could've earned more just sitting in the bank than the 50 thou "saved" per month).
One has to look at the opportunity costs of the money put down. |
Van, it's good that you are teaching English and not working in finance.
5mill sitting in the bank earns how much? 50k/month gets you 600K over the year. That's an annualised rate of 12%. (Though technically, if you put that 50K in a MMF fund each month, you'd get interest on it and earn more...maybe closer to 13-14% over the year). Please find me a bank that offers 12%? Some posters on this board have reported rates of around 5-7% for a year-long fixed deposit (and recently the rates are going down). |
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phoneboothface
Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 5:42 am Post subject: |
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Good responses thanks.
How accurate do you think the prices are that they quote?
I was gonna go in and ask for the budongsan ajossi to show me 10m/900k places with hopes of getting it knocked down to 10m/800k if I find a place I like. Feasible? Any more good posts waiting to be typed out there about negotiations with agents / landlords?
I think they'll budge but in the past they seemed pissed I wanted it cheaper haha. |
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