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Were you taught Creationism or Evolution at school?
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What were you taught at school?
Creationism
3%
 3%  [ 1 ]
Evolution
75%
 75%  [ 21 ]
Both
14%
 14%  [ 4 ]
Neither
7%
 7%  [ 2 ]
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 12:26 am    Post subject: Were you taught Creationism or Evolution at school? Reply with quote

Just reading the latest hoo-ha in the US regarding the creationism/evolution showdown in the schools, and wondering how many people get taught either.

Enemies of creationism may be hindering science teachers

Were you taught either of these at school? I recall being taught neither. I would have escaped any lesson on creationism, as I was exempted from Religious Instruction. But I was never taught about Evolution either.

I came across the concept of Evolution after a trip to the Natural History Museum when I was 6. My dad explained the basics to me as we looked at some of the exhibits. I first heard of God when I was 7, when 10 year old Fiona told me all about God and Jesus and how Jesus was God's baby and how God had made me and my mum and my dad and had helped to make our house and our car and everything int he world and all the babies in the world, and that was the closest to a lesson in Creationism I ever got - until I watched Genesis on the telly a few years ago, that is.

Are the US creationists winning the battle of the school curriculum? In Britain there's very little concern about all this stuff. Even the head of the English church doesn't think creationism should be taught in school: Archbishop: stop teaching creationism
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a video that might be of interest to some:

The creationism controversy in the classroom

Quote:
Adam Rutherford hears that science teachers are increasingly confronted by questions about creationism and intelligent design. Some avoid the issue altogether rather than risk upsetting religious sensitivities. Rutherford supports calls for teachers to take on the issue and make evolution a priority in science teaching. But, despite his own atheism, he discovers how religious arguments can play a relevant role in explaining scientific theories
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Fox



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evolution only.

Big_Bird wrote:
But, despite his own atheism, he discovers how religious arguments can play a relevant role in explaining scientific theories


No, religious arguments cannot play a relevent role in explaining scientific theories, even if the religion in question happened to be true. Science is about observable facts, rational inferences, and the creation of working models that explain what is around us based on those facts and inference. Religion has nothing to do with any of those things, and thus has nothing to do with science.

Religion isn't scientific. As a result, it should not be taught in a science classroom. I'm not even opposed to the discussion of possibilities like creationism in schools (I learned about Greek mythology in school after all, why not Christian mythology?), but it needs to be in the appropriate classroom setting.
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
Evolution only.

Big_Bird wrote:
But, despite his own atheism, he discovers how religious arguments can play a relevant role in explaining scientific theories


No, religious arguments cannot play a relevent role in explaining scientific theories, even if the religion in question happened to be true. Science is about observable facts, rational inferences, and the creation of working models that explain what is around us based on those facts and inference. Religion has nothing to do with any of those things, and thus has nothing to do with science.

Religion isn't scientific. As a result, it should not be taught in a science classroom. I'm not even opposed to the discussion of possibilities like creationism in schools (I learned about Greek mythology in school after all, why not Christian mythology?), but it needs to be in the appropriate classroom setting.


Firstly, be more careful with your quotes, mate. I didn't write the above, and you should have used quotes in a way that reflects that.

Secondly, I've only watched 3 minutes of the video so far. Have you watched the whole thing, and observed whether this claim was carried out?
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was taught the Theory of Evolution in school, of course. That's because the other thing is a religious belief and it's not even held as literal truth by most denominations.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:
Firstly, be more careful with your quotes, mate. I didn't write the above, and you should have used quotes in a way that reflects that.


I apologize.

Big_Bird wrote:
Secondly, I've only watched 3 minutes of the video so far. Have you watched the whole thing, and observed whether this claim was carried out?


Yes (though admittedly while playing a video game). It wasn't carried out.
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In that case, I wonder if the person who wrote the blurb bothered to watch the video either?

3 people have been taught about evolution. 2 not at all. I'd be interested to see which country they're from. I did my schooling in the UK. We had a fabulous biology teacher, but we never studied evolution. I always assumed that was something you'd study at university.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I attended public schools in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, and Virginia. My high school in Virginia did offer one class on the Bible, "The Bible as Literature." And, no, it did not involve any preaching about the Bible as truth. It examined it as literature.

Also, in said government schools, we did learn Evolution. Apparently, this must've been in the days before politically-driven religion being mandated in schools. Creationism and its undercover twin ID were never discussed.
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RufusW



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Student Wins Suit After Teacher Says Creationism �Superstitious Nonsense�

Warning: Fox News :)

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=336583

From Britain so it was evolution for me in school.
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mises



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evolution, in Canada. But there was a sticker on the inside jacket of the text book that said something like "evolution is disputed" etc etc. I think the sticker was removed after one year. Can't remember exactly. We began learning about evolution in the 9th grade I think.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm from Alberta, never knew that evolution was anything "controversial" until the internet appeared for the first time. Then again, the first thing I ever wanted to be was a paleontologist.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also from Alberta, and attended Catholic schools(which in that province are state-funded, and not much different from public schools.)

I must have been taught the Genesis story at some point, probably in an elementary school religion class. But in Grade 7 Social Studies, and then in Grade 11 Biology, we were taught the theory of evolution, unadulterated.
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rollo



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evolution of course. But I was educated before nutcases fabricated creationism. I have a question Big Bird. Is sience actually taught in U.k schools? I was under the impression since Britain invents nothing and achieves nothing in science that except for a few oxford Dons it had been abandoned. Now I believe it is the U.S. that usually sweeps the science Nobels that has a mars rover, space program, mapped the human genome, invented airplane, internet, lightbulb, so forth that it would be Americans who would be asking questions of the British about their edicational policies. But I will say that you are one of the best at winding people up. I honestly dont think that creationism is taught anywhere. It justs gets media attention. I actually went and listened to a debate betwen a creationist and a scientist. The creationist actually started talking about a substance , that doesnt exist, entirely made up. Using some lack of gases in this imaginary substance to "prove" that the earth was only ten thousand years old. When challenged he began to rant about how Darwin became a Christian on his death bed. Another lie. Idiots get attention, the nanotechnology lab at Standford no one ever hears about. You are the Queen of the poo-poo stirrers, Big Bird.!
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rollo wrote:
Evolution of course. But I was educated before nutcases fabricated creationism. I have a question Big Bird. Is sience actually taught in U.k schools? I was under the impression since Britain invents nothing and achieves nothing in science that except for a few oxford Dons it had been abandoned. Now I believe it is the U.S. that usually sweeps the science Nobels that has a mars rover, space program, mapped the human genome, invented airplane, internet, lightbulb, so forth that it would be Americans who would be asking questions of the British about their edicational policies. But I will say that you are one of the best at winding people up. I honestly dont think that creationism is taught anywhere. It justs gets media attention. I actually went and listened to a debate betwen a creationist and a scientist. The creationist actually started talking about a substance , that doesnt exist, entirely made up. Using some lack of gases in this imaginary substance to "prove" that the earth was only ten thousand years old. When challenged he began to rant about how Darwin became a Christian on his death bed. Another lie. Idiots get attention, the nanotechnology lab at Standford no one ever hears about. You are the Queen of the poo-poo stirrers, Big Bird.!


That's right, rollo, the British are morons. You'll feel quite at home there.
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rollo



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the invitation!!! It is kind of you that you think i would fit in. Picking on America's less intellectually gifted should be beneath the superior citizenry of the "Mother Country" , it is just too easy. Are there any believers in creationism in the U.k. or is it just an American idiocy? I will be visiting the U. k. in September. I hope I dont stand out too much, since I have a good set of teeth, a strong chin and a full head of hair. I am an admirer of Britain, it's institutions and it great thinkers such as Hawkings and Darwin.
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