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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really know what to do because I have only paid for taxes in Japan, and I don't have any paperwork regarding this. I would just report my income to immigration in Japan, and then after a few weeks they would send me a tax amount I had to pay at the city ward office. I had 3 payment slips, but I didn't have to pay them all at once. They were spread out over a period of 3 months. I know it sounds weird, and I am not sure quite how to explain this to my school or the IRS if I call them, lol.
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Kikomom



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been doing my own taxes since 1971 when they actually taught them in high school POD class (Problems of Democracy), and online for the past 5-6 years. This is pure insanity.

But I'm covering Wario's butt here. How many are you guys ordering? All 20? Does the tax office there require more than one per year?
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 8:05 pm    Post subject: Update Reply with quote

My co-teacher informed me just a day or so ago that GEPIK sent out a second notice regarding those who have been out of their home country and considered non-residents for at least one year. The short version is that you do not need the proof of residency form that they originally stated was needed. For those from the US it means that you DO NOT have to fill out all the forms to apply for a document that would not been given to you due to your non-resident status as a US citizen. Good news for me, but it really wasn't an issue, because I figured out another way of giving the same information in addition to the suggestions others made.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My co-teacher informed me just a day or so ago that GEPIK sent out a second notice regarding those who have been out of their home country and considered non-residents for at least one year.


But the exemption deal is for 2 years. Even if you were out of the country for 1 year, if that mattered, shouldn't you still be given 1 year? I don't see how being 1 year in say Thailand prevents you from claiming tax exemption for 2 years at a public school in Korea.

Maybe I don't understand the meaning of "Residency". When I originally filled it out I said I was a non-resident because I assumed I wasn't residing in the US, but Korea. Then, the more I read on this it seems to get "proof of residency" you need to claim and satisfy the IRS that you are indeed a resident of the US.

I sent another sheet IRS wanted me to fill out just giving a small explanation of why I didn't have to pay taxes. I added the letter GEPIK sent as well as copies of my passport. Hopefully, they will let me know before I leave Korea if I am exempt from paying taxes LOL.
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 9:13 pm    Post subject: Residency Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
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My co-teacher informed me just a day or so ago that GEPIK sent out a second notice regarding those who have been out of their home country and considered non-residents for at least one year.


But the exemption deal is for 2 years. Even if you were out of the country for 1 year, if that mattered, shouldn't you still be given 1 year? I don't see how being 1 year in say Thailand prevents you from claiming tax exemption for 2 years at a public school in Korea.

Maybe I don't understand the meaning of "Residency". When I originally filled it out I said I was a non-resident because I assumed I wasn't residing in the US, but Korea. Then, the more I read on this it seems to get "proof of residency" you need to claim and satisfy the IRS that you are indeed a resident of the US.

I sent another sheet IRS wanted me to fill out just giving a small explanation of why I didn't have to pay taxes. I added the letter GEPIK sent as well as copies of my passport. Hopefully, they will let me know before I leave Korea if I am exempt from paying taxes LOL.


The Proof of Residency is for those who want to claim the tax rebates as American citizens. The only way to get the rebate is to be a tax payer during the year in question that you are applying for the tax rebate. It doesn't matter where you live or have lived. IF you were a non-resident, from period A to period B and it is a full year, then you will not qualify. The GEPIK program and others were using this as a form of verification, but soon realized that it was not a solid system of checking residency for people who were non-residents of the US for a year or longer.

I completed my two years of non-tax status in the Korean public schools three year ago, which is why it was a puzzle to me why they needed my verification in the first place. The "catch all" net they threw out had big holes in it because of the IRS regulations and it became openly apparent that expats with long term ties to Korea would not be able to fulfill this mandate. This is why GEPIK sent out the up date notice.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only way to get the rebate is to be a tax payer during the year in question that you are applying for the tax rebate.


Sorry, but I don't understand (the logic in) that. I have seen similar statements, but I don't understand how someone who is exempt from paying during a school year has to be a tax payer (and how that is possible when someone hasn't finished teaching that year). If you you do get this exempt status, then you pay and then get the money back? This sounds like financial aid at college. You pay for classes, apply for financial aid, and then you receive a check with the money halfway into the school year. If a person really needed the assistance, then they wouldn't have the money to begin with.

Another thing I don't understand, if you have to be a tax payer for the year in question, then how can you possibly pay taxes for that year until it is finished? If they are going to be that way about it, it would make more sense to report your income from say a previous year (2008) after paying taxes, and then apply for the tax exempt status.
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william.mekemson



Joined: 19 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still pretty confused on parts of this... /sigh

I came to Korea in Febraury, 2009. I had just filed out my 2008 tax return (in the USA).

Filling out this form, I am requesting my 2008 certification? Last year, or this year?

Meaning that for line 2 I would put my home address filled out on my 2008 in the USA?

Then line 3a and 3b, have my school fill out?

Then line 5 is what type of 2008 tax return I filled out,

line 7: Calender Year(s) for which certification is requested:
is 2009 ?(this year)
style: YYYY

Current Year certification: if certification is requested for purposes of claiming benefits under an income tax treaty or VAT exemption for any period during the current calender year or a year for which a tax return is not yet required to be filed with the IRS, penalties of perjury statement(s) will be required from all U.S. residents stating that such resident is a US resident and wil continue to be so throughout the current tax year. See Table 2 for the current year penalties of perjury statement you must enter under line 10 of form 8802 or attach to the form.


===Wow, so by filing this, we are stating we ARE us residents? Again, I filed US taxes in March 2009 for the 2008 year. In Korea March 2009 to March 2010. (I wrote what table 2 for individual says below)

line 8: Tax Period(s) on which certification will be based
is 2008 ? (the year of my last US tax return?)
style: YYYYMM
it gives 3 examples:
1) A form 1040 filer who is completing Form 8802 for certification year 2009 on January 1, 2009, would enter 200712 on line 8. This is because on Jan 1, 2009, the 2007 form 1040 is the latest return required to have been filed by an individual requesting certification for 2009

2) On May 1, 2009, the same Form 1040 filer would enter 200812 as tax period for a certification year of 2008 (the 2008 form 1040 was required to have been filed before may 1, 2009)

3) on january 1, 2009, a form 1040 filer completing form 8802 for a certification year of 2006 would enter 200612

UHG, what? I have NOT filed a 1040 before. I am filing on Jan 1st, 2010, or close to that. (I think they meant jan 1st 2010, not 2009???)

I originally thought I'd put 2008, because I am filing for year 2009, and 2008 was my last US taxes filed. WTF. Do I put 200812 or what?

Then 9 is VAT? - what NAICS code would I use? Says I can leave it blank and they'll fill it in??

Line 10: STATING: "this certification is given under penalties of perjury and to the bes to fmy knowledge and belif, the statements are true, correct, and complete.


[Insert name of individual and TIN] is a US Resident and will continue to be throughout the current year.


Just write name and social security, and that line?


I saw earlier someone suggested getting 20? Why would you need more than 1?

Is the cost the same for 1-20? I thought that it still would cost $35 each, not $35 for anywhere between 1-20. Well I paid my electronic $35 saying 1, but since it's still $35, I guess I can put down 20 on the form.
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william.mekemson



Joined: 19 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess what confuses me the most is the number of times it has us say that we are RESIDENTS of the US, when I thought the whole point of the form was that while we are CITIZENS of the US, we are currently RESIDING in another country ???
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william.mekemson



Joined: 19 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't know why I thought I'd use VAT for line 9. Just income tax. duh.
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Sarah_a_Sojourner



Joined: 05 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

william.mekemson wrote:
I guess what confuses me the most is the number of times it has us say that we are RESIDENTS of the US, when I thought the whole point of the form was that while we are CITIZENS of the US, we are currently RESIDING in another country ???


(Sorry for the thread resurrection--I blame Google) YES! This is exactly the confusion I'm having. I am a US citizen, and will continue to be, but I'm only going to be a resident of the US for the next week, at which point I move to Korea for a year and become a resident there until March 2012.

Any more thoughts on this? On Line 10 specifically or IRS form 8802?

Doesn't help that I'm set to move to Korea in a week and still don't have the address of my personal apartment. Instead, I only have my GEPIK school's address, and no zip code. Had to Google that too. I wish my recruiter hadn't sprung this on me just a few days ago, but at least it seems like I have 60 days after arriving to get the resulting 6166 form filed in Korea...
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naturegirl321



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sarah_a_Sojourner wrote:
(Sorry for the thread resurrection--I blame Google) YES! This is exactly the confusion I'm having. I am a US citizen, and will continue to be, but I'm only going to be a resident of the US for the next week, at which point I move to Korea for a year and become a resident there until March 2012.

Any more thoughts on this? On Line 10 specifically or IRS form 8802?

Doesn't help that I'm set to move to Korea in a week and still don't have the address of my personal apartment. Instead, I only have my GEPIK school's address, and no zip code. Had to Google that too. I wish my recruiter hadn't sprung this on me just a few days ago, but at least it seems like I have 60 days after arriving to get the resulting 6166 form filed in Korea...

Get the 6166 vby filling out the 8802, you can get out of US and Korean taxes for two years provideed you fulfil the Physical Presence Test of the 2555.

File the 6166 now, it takes a while.
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