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Just Dropping off Resumes at Public Schools
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rooster_2006



Joined: 14 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 7:05 am    Post subject: Just Dropping off Resumes at Public Schools Reply with quote

I'd rather not go through EPIK or GEPIK, if possible. Is it possible to find a public school position without going through EPIK or GEPIK?

I speak good Korean (graduated from Yonsei University KLI), I finished my degree (including a very significant language component), I have CELTA, and have lived here for five years as of next month. I have about 1.5 years of under-the-table experience teaching, as well.

I'd really rather not deal with EPIK's and GEPIK's selection procedures, orientations, deadlines, etc. I'd also like to work in Gyeonggi Province, or, if possible, Seoul, and I get the idea that EPIK/GEPIK/TaLK would probably place me in Jeolla or some other hard-to-fill region. Not that I mind one bit being in a rural location (I'd actually prefer that), except that most of my friends are in Seoul. My girlfriend is in Seoul, as well.

Rather than deal with all the difficulties of EPIK/GEPIK/TaLK, I'd rather just call up some public schools, show up dressed professionally and work my charm. Is it possible to do this, or is there a rule that I _MUST_ go through GEPIK/EPIK/TaLK?
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QbertP



Joined: 02 Feb 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are schools that will take your resume and there are others that won't. While it takes a lot of work I know some people that have negotiated incredible contracts by doing exactly what you are suggesting.
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jkelly80



Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never understood how this works, at least with Seoul, b/c with SMOE the local school gets the money directly from SMOE office to pay the NSET, not out of the school's budget. Where does the money come from the pay the NSET direct hires?
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losing_touch



Joined: 26 Jun 2008
Location: Ulsan - I think!

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am just curious as to why you would want to take this route? You mentioned that you have a degree, but you didn't state what kind of degree.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=2048538&highlight=#2048538
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't expect the NET to be very friendly. When he/she see you trying to take their job.
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you speak K why even post here? why not do a little research and find out ? chances are you'd find out more than anyone here knows pretty fast.

btw, how about posting it when you do?
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M-Tea



Joined: 11 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's pretty simple. You don't even need to speak Korean. Bypassing recruiters for public schools is as easy as finding the board of education office that deals with the area that you want to work in and going there.

Often you can just call them and see if they have any job openings.

It's usually more effective to pay them a visit though. Generally they will throw a contract at you and beg you to work.

Lots of recruiters say the (blablabla) board of education is looking for..

Just type the name into google with board of education and phone number. If I were a nicer person I'd give you an example but I'm not.
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rooster_2006



Joined: 14 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys! I didn't realize it was that easy. I guess I'll just start handing out resumes on Monday and try to hit a couple dozen schools. Somebody will give me a job. I make a good impression. Laughing

Is the pay negotiable if I cut out the recruiter, or is it fixed?
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OculisOrbis



Joined: 17 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

depends how badly the POE needs teachers to fill their quota, but most will just say more than standard contract scale is impossible.

it seems the laws of supply and demand don't apply for FT's because they would rather have nothing than risk having the salary rates rise no matter how desperate they are - resulting in teacher shortages and some less-than-desirable hires who accept the rates, which they in turn use to denigrate the rest of us.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you didn't mention your current visa status or if you have another degree from one of the big 7. Unless you are on an F2/F4/F5 or have a degree from one of the big 7 you'll be SoL for getting an E2.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OculisOrbis wrote:
it seems the laws of supply and demand don't apply for FT's because they would rather have nothing than risk having the salary rates rise no matter how desperate they are - resulting in teacher shortages and some less-than-desirable hires who accept the rates, which they in turn use to denigrate the rest of us.

WELL SAID!
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rooster_2006



Joined: 14 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
you didn't mention your current visa status or if you have another degree from one of the big 7. Unless you are on an F2/F4/F5 or have a degree from one of the big 7 you'll be SoL for getting an E2.
What the heck are you talking about? If I had an F-2, F-4, or F-5, why would I want an E-2?

What on earth does the Big Seven have to do with this?

Are you telling me that every single public school teacher in Korea has a degree from the "Big Seven?"

I see a large animal with horns. And smell manure.
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rooster_2006



Joined: 14 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:
if you speak K why even post here? why not do a little research and find out ? chances are you'd find out more than anyone here knows pretty fast.

btw, how about posting it when you do?
Will do. Laughing
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rooster_2006 wrote:
crossmr wrote:
you didn't mention your current visa status or if you have another degree from one of the big 7. Unless you are on an F2/F4/F5 or have a degree from one of the big 7 you'll be SoL for getting an E2.
What the heck are you talking about? If I had an F-2, F-4, or F-5, why would I want an E-2?

What on earth does the Big Seven have to do with this?

Are you telling me that every single public school teacher in Korea has a degree from the "Big Seven?"

I see a large animal with horns. And smell manure.

Try to follow along. I'm assuming you're a foreigner.

Your visa status plays a big role in this. You mentioned graduating from Yonsei and a celta, and a vague degree. If you're not on an F2/4/5 visa, you have to get an E2. If you only graduated from Yonsei, and don't have another degree you're SoL on getting an E2. There was already the case of a foreigner who graduated from the hanguk university of foreign studies in their English education program and was denied a visa to teach here because he didn't have a degree from the big 7. His only option was to try and find his way to an F series visa, or go get a degree from one of those countries.
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rooster_2006



Joined: 14 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
rooster_2006 wrote:
crossmr wrote:
you didn't mention your current visa status or if you have another degree from one of the big 7. Unless you are on an F2/F4/F5 or have a degree from one of the big 7 you'll be SoL for getting an E2.
What the heck are you talking about? If I had an F-2, F-4, or F-5, why would I want an E-2?

What on earth does the Big Seven have to do with this?

Are you telling me that every single public school teacher in Korea has a degree from the "Big Seven?"

I see a large animal with horns. And smell manure.

Try to follow along. I'm assuming you're a foreigner.

Your visa status plays a big role in this. You mentioned graduating from Yonsei and a celta, and a vague degree. If you're not on an F2/4/5 visa, you have to get an E2. If you only graduated from Yonsei, and don't have another degree you're SoL on getting an E2. There was already the case of a foreigner who graduated from the hanguk university of foreign studies in their English education program and was denied a visa to teach here because he didn't have a degree from the big 7. His only option was to try and find his way to an F series visa, or go get a degree from one of those countries.
Hahaha, I was confused, when you said "Big 7," I thought you meant "top seven universities in the US," but you were actually talking about the seven English-speaking countries, weren't you?

Well, fortunately, I just finished up my AA from a US school (Excelsior College), so I guess that'll significantly improve my chances. The thing I did at Yonsei was a 1.5-year certificate program in Korean language and literature (although ironically, it was much harder than my AA).
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