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Americans aren't good at math?
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CasperTheFriendlyGhost



Joined: 28 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe so, but every time I add a couple of beak wons to the prce at a store or restaurant,, so that I get an even 1,000 note or 500 won coin back, I get met with consternation.
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gazz



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I belive that the Korean government 'made a mandate' that calculators were to be scrapped a few years ago.

Now all korean elem kids must do maths without calculators.

The 5th and 6th grades were part of the old calculator 'regime'

For some reason my 6th grade are awsome anyway. But I did an exercise with my 2nd grade the other day where I did

eg

2345x213 and they all did the calculations on a mini white board and then told me the answer in English!

Cudos (I can only claim credit for the English part Very Happy )

Shit I carn't do that!

I was part of the UK 'calculator generation'

My 5th grade struggled like shit. I was almost better than them! Cool (almost!)
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jkelly80



Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zantetsuken wrote:
Kikomom wrote:
One of the first things Wario wrote home about was his amazement at kids doing trig in middle school. This from my son, the MIT 21 Club wannabe, who took "The Mathematics of Games and Gambling" as his undergrad math requirement.


What was your son's major? Was it Video Game Villainology?


I'm a Wario! I'm a gonna win!
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Kikomom



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zantetsuken wrote:
Kikomom wrote:
One of the first things Wario wrote home about was his amazement at kids doing trig in middle school. This from my son, the MIT 21 Club wannabe, who took "The Mathematics of Games and Gambling" as his undergrad math requirement.

What was your son's major? Was it Video Game Villainology?

Poli-Sci. Close enough? At a Catholic university no less--run by nuns.

He had an opportunity to go to DC for an unpaid internship last year. But since I'd be paying the rent, I did the math to my bank account and he went to Korea to earn his own way.

Calculating SALE prices is my math forte. Subtract the percent off from 100, times that by the regular price and you get a good guess of the sale price. A $20 item at 70% off-- 20 x .30 = $6.00, walla.
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harlowethrombey



Joined: 17 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard a class today where the reading was talking about a "Negro playing sports."

Negro? Shocked

wow.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, too many Americans don't know how to calculate without using a calculator. However, I am not sure how many Koreans can do that, either. I often tell Koreans how much change I should get back, and I can calculate large numbers in my head, and I've plenty of Koreans who can't do that. It's so easy to learn how to calculate numbers in your head, but people don't bother teaching things the old-fashioned way. I had to memorize multiplication tables and such... I would make sure, if I ever had a child, that he or she would memorize them, too.
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Sleepy in Seoul



Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kikomom wrote:
Calculating SALE prices is my math forte. Subtract the percent off from 100, times that by the regular price and you get a good guess of the sale price. A $20 item at 70% off-- 20 x .30 = $6.00, walla.

What on Earth does walla mean?
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Kikomom



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sleepy in Seoul wrote:
What on Earth does walla mean?

That's hillbilly french for 'viola'. Wink


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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sleepy in Seoul wrote:

What on Earth does walla mean?


She misspelled voila.
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Kikomom



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

madoka wrote:
She misspelled voila.
Yea, that too...

It's ok, I'm not Canadian.
Twisted Evil
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gbeattie



Joined: 14 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They may know some math that is more advanced for their age than American kids know but learning involves taking what you know and applying it to a new situation. So the question is if you give the Korean kids a "sideways" or a non standard question can they answer it? I would guess and I am complete speaking out of my ass here that they have algorithms drilled into their heads for "normal" questions so they can answer anything in the textbook but who knows about outside the textbook. It would be neat to see a comparative study of math education systems around the world and see who is the best at what and why.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stepping aside from the math issue, the cultural tidbits in the teachers guides for elementary school were all laughably bad- I thought those books were due to be phased out a year or two ago?
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
They may know some math that is more advanced for their age than American kids know but learning involves taking what you know and applying it to a new situation.


Seriously, it seems that some of you are pathologically wired to just find something wrong with Korean people no matter what...

Math is math people...It's a universal. There is no cultural secret to it. This goes both ways- Koreans and Americans! Yes, rote memorization has its benefits, but that is nto cultural, that is a technique.

For all the faults you find with Korea...man up and accept that there are faults with America! You want to dish it! Be prepared to take it!


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alphakennyone



Joined: 01 Aug 2005
Location: city heights

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a previous poster mentioned, not being able to handle change is a sign of some sub-par "real life" math skills. I've only seen cashiers in America goof it up now and then (some people are hopeless), but quite a few times in Korea. It's something that when you do it everyday, it should just be automatic.

Having worked a register myself, I also found it funny when Asian customers would give me far more bills than necessary to buy something (like giving me five singles to pay for something that's $2.50). That's surely cluelessness more than math ability, but still. A bit like my coworker who would give customers 3 dimes as change instead of a quarter and a nickle...and he was an electrical engineering student.
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harlowethrombey



Joined: 17 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was gonna comment earlier, but I got lost after the first page. What is this squigly thing: '2' ? What the hell is that? When I use my food-stickers (fingers) to do mah countin' I just hold up 'V' for what come after 'l'.
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