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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 8:15 pm    Post subject: Classic co-teacher interference Reply with quote

We were in class today and watching a video on youtube about " The battle at Kruger"

It has lions and crocodiles and water buffalo fighting each other. I use it to teach words like "chasing and running"

One kid said that they were alligators in the water and I explained that the video was in Africa and so it was crocodiles.

This co-teacher puts up her hand and asks me to explain the diffrences between alligators and crocodiles. I said they are very similar but it's too difficult for the kids. But she kept pushing for more the exact answers.
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just say alligators have bigger mouths and leave it at that. This kind of situation is hardly worth getting worked up over.
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dporter



Joined: 26 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
Just say alligators have bigger mouths and leave it at that. This kind of situation is hardly worth getting worked up over.


"I'm glad you asked co-teacher. Alligators are like you - they have big mouths and aren't very smart. On the other hand, I am like a crocodile - cunning and fierce. Any other questions?"
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Goku



Joined: 10 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, in this case it might be warranted,

Because you sid that they were specificlaly corcodiles so she would assume you know the difference and why.

I mean, if someone told me that was pointing to rice cake and told me "this is korean rice cake not chinese rice cake" it's a valid question how is it different. It's not like I'm trying to pester them but I sure damn as hell want to know why. And the fact that they can tell the difference means they know. So she could naturally assume you knew why.

PS. I'm suprised your kids don't know the difference. I'll be damned if I'm correct, but I think crocdolies are flatter, their eyes kind of... lumped up and are mostly throughout asia and africa.

Whereas alligators have more of an trianglated snoze and live pretty much only in Florida.

PPS. I think you're right crocodiles are in Africa.
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harlowethrombey



Joined: 17 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just tell them that Crocodiles like their toast buttered on the bottom and Alligators on top. They've been at war ever since.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this is overkill, but here you go:

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-a-crocodile-and-an-alligator.htm


I started a thread last week about a similar type of situation in my classroom ( co-teacher refuses to discuss lesson plans with me and then throws difficult and largely irrelevant questions at me without notice) , unfortunately it got deleted because of my poor taste in choosing a title.

I was too angry at the time to think clearly.

I have since come to accept that particular co-teacher will always be more of a hindrance than a help.


Last edited by some waygug-in on Mon May 18, 2009 9:00 pm; edited 3 times in total
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b-class rambler



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goku wrote:
Well, in this case it might be warranted,

Because you sid that they were specificlaly corcodiles so she would assume you know the difference and why.

I mean, if someone told me that was pointing to rice cake and told me "this is korean rice cake not chinese rice cake" it's a valid question how is it different. It's not like I'm trying to pester them but I sure damn as hell want to know why. And the fact that they can tell the difference means they know. So she could naturally assume you knew why.



Exactly what I was thinking.

OP, I'm sure it's a mistake that all of us have made at some time or other in front of a class, but it was a situation largely of your own making.

Don't blame the co-t. Don't blame yourself either though. Just put it down as one to remember in future - if the difference matters enough for you to correct it, then you should be ready to explain that difference if asked.

FWIW, I believe one of them has their upper jaw teeth visible outside the mouth when it's closed and the other has the upper jaw teeth hidden when the mouth is closed. I can't remember which is which though.
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
Just say alligators have bigger mouths and leave it at that. This kind of situation is hardly worth getting worked up over.


I am not worked up about it. I thought it was funny and I couldn't finish writing the post because somebody walked in.

It was funny because even after I answered her question she wanted specifics that would have been for a grade 10 English speaking biology class rather than a grade 5 class struggling with spelling lion and crocodile.
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agoodmouse



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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to get on the OP's case too much, but a teacher should do a bit of research and use pictures and/or other designed materials to distinguish for students a clear understanding of the content of YouTube or other videos.

Am I asking too much?
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

agoodmouse wrote:
Not to get on the OP's case too much, but a teacher should do a bit of research and use pictures and/or other designed materials to distinguish for students a clear understanding of the content of YouTube or other videos.

Am I asking too much?


Ya you are asking too much as I had a lecture with timing and other stuff to do. I didn't have 5 minutes for the co-teacher to play student and talk above the students heads about some biology facts.
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dragon777



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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should of told her that there are salt water and fresh water crocodiles as well. This would of helped the situation D.D.
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ChinaBoy



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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's amazing the number of people who say "I think..." when all you have to do is google "alligator crocodile" and get all the information you need

I love it when class is distracted away from actually learning anything meaningful into these time wasting activities
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poet13



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Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the point is is that the CT hijacked the class which is unprofessional for at least one of two reasons.

1. CT was trying to embarrass the Waegook. Not cool.
2. CT was using class time for his or her own benefit oblivious to the fact that they are supposed to be there for the benefit of the students; the argument notwithstanding that they could benefit from knowing which was which.
3. Pick 'em.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think part of the problem (at least with my KT) is that she has no idea what is or is not appropriate for the level of the class.

I'm out in the country, and the kids have trouble saying even the most basic phrases. I understand that natural curiosity will generate some off-the-wall questions, but as teachers it is our duty to try and keep the lessons focused and the class on track. What these kids need is to focus on the basics and work with it until they can produce it on their own.


Maybe there could be a few minutes at the end of class to answer such questions, but mid-lesson is not the appropriate time.

Or if the KT wants to incorporate such questions into the lesson, the least she/he could do is discuss it with you beforehand, so you have time to formulate an answer that the students will be able to understand.
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ihaveseoul2



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe it was because an Ag-eo 악어 is an Ag-eo 악어? (A crocodile and alligator are the same word in Korean) So perhaps she wanted to use the situation to explain that and it just didn't come across?

And now you need to also fear the words "knuckles" and "slither" because they don't exist either.

al�li�ga�tor〔〕 n.
1【동물】 악어 《미국�중국산;cf. CROCODILE》

croc�o�dile〔│〕 n.
1【동물】 크로코다일 《나일악어처럼 주둥이가 뾰족하고 대형의 것》(cf. ALLIGATOR);《일반적으로》 악어; 그 가죽
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