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traxxe

Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 9:50 pm Post subject: Getting into an altercation with a Korean professor... |
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So last week was the festival for my college and our sister university down the way. After my smaller school is winding down we generally head to the university to continue festivities.
I met a friend there who teaches there and within five seconds of being there I see something that sickens my heart. An older Korean professor is punching a male student repeatedly in the face. He pushed a girl student to the ground when she said something. The male Korean student is sitting there just taking it.
I'm telling my friend I cannot believe this crap. That this is what disgusts me about this culture. No one at the table, including women professors and a few nearby men are doing anything to stop it. In fact one of my own students happens to be one table away and is calling me over to help.
Finally I had enough, I went under the plastic of the tent I was watching this through and I got between the student in the professor. The Korean professor informs me I should go away because he doesn't know me. His English isn't bad.
I inform him if he touches the student one more time I will be punching him. I inform him I am a neighboring professor. He raises his hand, I grab it not waiting to get hit and get a brief arm lock. I contort his arm hard. He groans and I let go. Suddenly someone translates enough to him that he understands I'm a professor and he's all about offering me soju and telling me how much he likes me.
I tell him to go f himself. The women professors at the table thank me and one takes the beaten student away. My own student thanks me and I ask her to be my witness. The violent professor is escorted out drunkenly with his co-workers.
Anyway, I told my boss about this. Told them I expected something to come of it. It hasn't. He said that I shouldn't have intervened but understood.
Word comes to me the Korean professor has his wrist in a cast now. Feh. We'll see how it turns out. I asked to go to the people above him to get him fired. No one seems interested in doing anything about his abuse of a student.
Shame I didn't have my camera. |
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Goku
Joined: 10 Dec 2008
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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I do agree I think you did the right thing about intervening,
But one really has to speculate why the beating occured and why the male student didn't do anything.
Who knows. Maybe the student said something like "I was banging your daughter last night in the back of a matiz behind GS25."
Maybe the professor was drunk off his can and picked a random kid to beat.
I would like to hear the reason for the beating. Otherwise this story is lackluster.
Honestly I wouldn't have gotten involved. Only bad things can come out of interfering. As much as I agree on principal what you did, there has to be some perspective. Beatings is just how things are done here. Beating students is a regular occurrence. Not like we can do much to change it, and honestly I don't think it's a moral problem, more of a social perspective.
It wasn't so long ago teachers in America used rulers and waved around terms like "spare the rod and spoil the child". In fact, those times were actually more civil than now. Which begs the question, was beating an effective measure of control? Regardless in this sitaution I think you did the right thing.
But I have to wonder, is there more to this story? |
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samcheokguy

Joined: 02 Nov 2008 Location: Samcheok G-do
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Anybody hitting an adult male and expecting to get away with it, should be sent to Latin America for a brief stint. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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So the moral of this story is 'Beating someone smaller and weaker is wrong. And to teach you how wrong it is, I am going to beat you because you are smaller and weaker than me'?
Honestly, I think it is very likely you just made things worse for that student. The next time, the professor is going to pick a place where you aren't around. |
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samcheokguy

Joined: 02 Nov 2008 Location: Samcheok G-do
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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No the next time the mature adult male will DEFEND HIMSELF and not be a little prison b..... |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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samcheokguy wrote: |
Anybody hitting an adult male and expecting to get away with it, should be sent to Latin America for a brief stint. |
Yes, in the Mediterranean, Latin America, or America, and I am sure in England if your professor tries to hit you, then you might clock him. You wouldn't just take it, and the other students would generally just ignore that stuff. I don't want to say what a foreign country should do, but assaulting a student, in my opinion, should lead to a felony. Someone instructing people shouldn't be beating them unless he or she is defending him or herself.
Of course, there are times when people don't care. In a certain part of the US, in part of a city, a man was hit by a car and no one bothered to do anything. That made the news. What the professor did would make the news back home, but not here.
Some people probably liked the fact that Traxxe intervened, but in Confucianism as interpreted by Koreans, the professor is the equivalent of a colonel or what have you and he is punishing a private. Military culture is very prevalent here because it was a dictatorship. They got that from the Japanese and American military and mixed it with Confucianism. That will change since Korea has been a democracy since the 1990s.
I am not sure, though, if it's simply because he's a professor, because in Seoul, at least, people often don't intervene. I was on a subway, and I was in a foul mood due to something that K-Immigration did and a public school. Anyway, this guy was acting the fool on the train, he also seemed menacing somewhat to a Korean Halmony (grandmother). I thought that was wrong, and he was too loud. And then he directed himself to me and said stuff to me.
I told him in a clear manner to get off the train and in a Clint Eastwood manner to make my day if he wanted to hit me. It was out of character for me. However, since in Korea you are not even allowed to claim self-defense if the other guy is more injured than you even if he hit you first, I would reconsider intervening. However, if someone threatens a woman or a grandmother, I don't take too kindly to that.
He listened, got off, and the train clapped and the ladies he annoyed were happy. I would have preferred it if a South Korean male would have done something. I am sure it happens in many cases. |
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Ultimo Hombre
Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Location: BEER STORE
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Sometimes you can hit someone in Korea and not be prosecuted.
I hit some guy for harassing my lady once.
He got charged with sexual harassment.
I got charged with assault.
The cops told him that sexual harassment was going to carry a heavier fine than my assault and that my lady would be using his money to pay my fine. He dropped the whole thing and I skated off clean.
I agree that the OP did the right thing.
Hope it doesn't cause you any more trouble though.
Last edited by Ultimo Hombre on Mon May 18, 2009 10:50 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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crossmr

Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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However, since in Korea you are not even allowed to claim self-defense |
Didn't we have that story a few weeks ago about the young guy who got off for self-defense for defending his friend/girl from the drunken guys taking pictures up her skirt? |
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Forward Observer

Joined: 13 Jan 2009 Location: FOB Gloria
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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OP, don't think for a second that other Koreans around you weren't capable of stopping him from pummeling the student. They just didn't want to get involved. I guess you had nothing to lose though. |
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hobakmorinam
Joined: 22 Dec 2008
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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What u need to go is gett a bigger casy for your arm. And maybe a neckbrace. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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crossmr wrote: |
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However, since in Korea you are not even allowed to claim self-defense |
Didn't we have that story a few weeks ago about the young guy who got off for self-defense for defending his friend/girl from the drunken guys taking pictures up her skirt? |
Was the young person Korean? I am referring to foreigners mostly, but often in Korea it seems, from what I've heard, that cops often look at who sustained the most damage, not who started everything. Is that true or not? Also, foreigners encourage each other in many cases to not get involved, because people will assume we're guilty because we're foreigners, and that it's a local problem. It's very tempting based on our culture to intervene. |
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Bloopity Bloop

Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Location: Seoul yo
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Adventurer wrote: |
crossmr wrote: |
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However, since in Korea you are not even allowed to claim self-defense |
Didn't we have that story a few weeks ago about the young guy who got off for self-defense for defending his friend/girl from the drunken guys taking pictures up her skirt? |
Was the young person Korean? I am referring to foreigners mostly, but often in Korea it seems, from what I've heard, that cops often look at who sustained the most damage, not who started everything. Is that true or not? Also, foreigners encourage each other in many cases to not get involved, because people will assume we're guilty because we're foreigners, and that it's a local problem. It's very tempting based on our culture to intervene. |
Just curious... what rationale do Korean police use when assessing situations? Why would it matter who sustained the most damage? After reading about non-interference on Dave's for a while--and how interference, regardless of how noble/justified (by Western logic) the reason, will get one in trouble, I don't even understand why Korean police exist. The more I read about Korean "logic", the more I'm inclined to believe they don't possess any... and I start work in August
NO SELF DEFENSE?! Ridiculous. |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
So the moral of this story is 'Beating someone smaller and weaker is wrong. And to teach you how wrong it is, I am going to beat you because you are smaller and weaker than me'?
Honestly, I think it is very likely you just made things worse for that student. The next time, the professor is going to pick a place where you aren't around. |
He grabbed a guy's hand, he didn't beat him. You'll do anything to be Mary Contrary wont' you? |
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red_devil

Joined: 30 Jun 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 12:02 am Post subject: |
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That this is what disgusts me about this culture. |
And with that type of racism, you sicken me. |
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Ultimo Hombre
Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Location: BEER STORE
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 12:04 am Post subject: |
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Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
The more I read about Korean "logic", the more I'm inclined to believe they don't possess any... and I start work in August |
This is off the thread topic, but whatever. You mentioned logic. I recently asked my boss for my contract ending bonus and the like. I'm moving jobs and wanted to know what I would be looking at as far as plane money or a ticket. I offered some suggestions something like:
A)Just give me the money equivalent to the ticket home.
B)Buy me a round trip ticket somewhere cheaper for my vacation dates coming up.
Wasn't having either of them. Instead my boss is willing to pay for a ticket home for me which will cost a whole lot more than the round trip ticket I tried to be nice by suggesting they buy instead.
Yes, logic.
"Give me $800."
"No, but I will give you $1300." |
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