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What's the big deal about getting extra work on the E-2
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Zulethe



Joined: 04 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 5:54 pm    Post subject: What's the big deal about getting extra work on the E-2 Reply with quote

I'm on an E-2 Visa and I know it's illegal to teach privates, but can't one teach anywhere as long as one has written permission from the employer?

I see these university summer camps offering jobs to E-2 holders as long as they have permission from their school.

If this is the case, what's the big deal about just asking your school for permission?

I've seen all these posts where people are surreptitiously doing privates (public school teachers) yet why don't they just get a permission letter from their boss?

I've been approached a number of times from people in my neighborhood asking me if I would tutor their children.

My co-teacher doesn't know the answer. He just tells me to do it and not tell anyone.

I'm not currently doing privates but I'd like to because I'm bored out of my mind.

thanks
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ekul



Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps because the government can't get their grubby hands on the taxes most of the time.
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QbertP



Joined: 02 Feb 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

permission from your school is one part of it. The other arguably more important part is permission from immigration. Your visa and ARC are tied a specific workplace. Doing work elsewhere is a violation of this.

Should it be this way?
No.
Is it this way.
Yes.

Cheers.
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Rory_Calhoun27



Joined: 14 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ekul wrote:
Perhaps because the government can't get their grubby hands on the taxes most of the time.



I've thought this for a while. You always here the screams that it's against Confucionism and similar babble, but the reality is they havent found a way to tax the system, or even that they care to try. It's amazing what can be covered by centuries-old, oudated form of philosophy. Rolling Eyes


Sure you can make arguments about untrained terachers offering such service. but the same can be said for any hagwon or public school even. I say let the market economy weed out the dead wood..... metaphorically speaking, of course! Wink
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nachoinkorea



Joined: 25 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only way you can legally add another workplace to your E-2 visa is if you have your visa sponsored by a private organization (like a hagwon).

If your visa is sponsored by a private organization, you can legally add a public organization to that visa (provided you have your visa sponsor's permission). This is how you can legally work at some hagwons and then pick up an after-school position.

However, you cannot do this vice-versa. By that, I mean if your visa is sponsored by a public organization (like a public school) you cannot add a private organization (like a hagwon) to your visa. Also, adding public to public or private to private is a no-no.

Finally, the good thing about this is that you can add any public organization, not just a school, as long as you are teaching. For example, my visa is privately sponsored but I also do a lot of radio work here in Seoul. These radio stations are gov. run, so I just added them to my visa and now everything is nice and legit.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nachoinkorea wrote:
. Also, adding public to public or private to private is a no-no.

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There are plenty of people that work at more than one public school. There are also people who work at more than one hakwon.

In large part it depends on the whim of the current Immigration official you are dealing with.
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Zulethe



Joined: 04 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^
I'm talking about a regular joe blow on the street, not an institution.

Furthermore, if I get written permission from my school, doesn't that take the culpability off of my shoulders, should I get caught doing something "illegal" if it is illegal, since my school is the one that gave me written permission?

I doubt I'm going to find the answer here but I thought I'd give it a shot.
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nachoinkorea



Joined: 25 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course there are plenty of people working at more than one public school, and there are even more people working at more than one hagwon. But is it legal? No. Have they actually gotten written permission from their visa sponsor, signed a contract with the other job, and gone to Immigration and legally added it to the back of their ARC. I highly doubt it.

You are right that for Immigration a lot of stuff depends on the whim of which Immigration officer you are talking to that day, but this is not one of them. You cannot legally add public to public or private to private. If it's not on the back of your ARC it is not legit.
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Snowflake



Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Zulethe"]^
I'm talking about a regular joe blow on the street, not an institution.

Furthermore, if I get written permission from my school, doesn't that take the culpability off of my shoulders, should I get caught doing something "illegal" if it is illegal, since my school is the one that gave me written permission?

I doubt I'm going to find the answer here but I thought I'd give it a shot.[/quote]

From what I understand the issue is with immigration not your school as such - you need to take documentation for the additional place of work (contract, business number etc) to immigration to have it legally "added" to your E2. So that would exclude teaching from your (or someone else's) home.
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3MB



Joined: 26 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zulethe wrote:
^
I'm talking about a regular joe blow on the street, not an institution.

Furthermore, if I get written permission from my school, doesn't that take the culpability off of my shoulders, should I get caught doing something "illegal" if it is illegal, since my school is the one that gave me written permission?

I doubt I'm going to find the answer here but I thought I'd give it a shot.


Your visa is given to you by immigration.
Immigration, not your school controls what you can and can't do on a particular visa.
You need immigration's permission, without it, its illegal.
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gazz



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you work for EPIK the Regional office 'owns' you

You are then pimped out to a school. The Regional office has the right to send you to one, two or three schools (and this is legal).

As for any other type of work, even if free you must get permission in writing from your POE (and maybe your school).

Technically this even includes stuff like working for free in a soup kitchen, planting tree ect ect.

As for paid seperate work, I imagine that is a no go for EPIK people anyway!
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3MB wrote:
Your visa is given to you by immigration.
Immigration, not your school controls what you can and can't do on a particular visa.
You need immigration's permission, without it, its illegal.

Well, your visa sponsor's permission AND Immigration's permission. If Immi gives you permission to work that second location, they will note it on the back of your ARC.

If there are no notes on the back of your ARC, any second job you might have is illegal.
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oskinny1



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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nachoinkorea wrote:
Of course there are plenty of people working at more than one public school, and there are even more people working at more than one hagwon. But is it legal? No. Have they actually gotten written permission from their visa sponsor, signed a contract with the other job, and gone to Immigration and legally added it to the back of their ARC. I highly doubt it.

You are right that for Immigration a lot of stuff depends on the whim of which Immigration officer you are talking to that day, but this is not one of them. You cannot legally add public to public or private to private. If it's not on the back of your ARC it is not legit.


I worked at a public school and during breaks taught at a private camp. Both times I was at the camp I had it written on my ARC. No problems whatsoever.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who has had a lot of part time teaching jobs legally on an E2, I have something to contribute:

1. In order to work at another institution, it cannot be a private institution (e.g. public school, university sponsored camp, etc. are okay).
2. You must have permission from your visa sponsor and get it approved by Immigration.
3. Other regulations: no part time job can be for more hours than your primary job, nor can it pay more. Furthermore, only two part time jobs may be added to the visa.
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Zulethe



Joined: 04 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can someone reference me a site where I can see this in writing. Has this information been past down through the hallowed pages of Dave's or has someone actually seen the regulation somewhere?

It'd be really nice to be able to actually see a regulation where everything is written in black and white.
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