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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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 Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 6:52 am Post subject: FBI says prisoners could radicalize others |
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30846430/
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"The concerns we have about individuals who may support terrorism being in the United States run from concerns about providing financing, radicalizing others," Mueller said, as well as "the potential for individuals undertaking attacks in the United States." |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| This is a very reasonable concern. islam spreads like wildfire in prisons. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, and another good reason why America should move away from its practice of locking up its populace at the highest rate in the world and blacks at a rate higher than in apartheid South Africa. |
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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe the US will build new prisons with millions of individual cells to solve this problem of prisoners influencing each other to go against the government? Maybe the US will build about 300 million new individual cell block rooms with the last of it's big monies and let 50 million privileged rich people live as trusted free men and women of the state controlling the imprisoned majority? I hope not. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| This is a very reasonable concern. islam spreads like wildfire in prisons. |
Does anyone have any stats on the number of poorly educated inmates who speak Arabic and/or other languages involved?
Yesterday the Senate voted 90-6 against funding the closing of Gitmo--a pathetic caving in of 90% of senators to the fear-mongering of the right. The GOP has nothing to offer on any of the issues of the day, so they focus on the past--torture and terror. A recent poll said the public trusts Dems as much on security as Republicans. Too bad that news hasn't reached the Senate yet. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| This is a very reasonable concern. islam spreads like wildfire in prisons. |
Does anyone have any stats on the number of poorly educated inmates who speak Arabic and/or other languages involved?
Yesterday the Senate voted 90-6 against funding the closing of Gitmo--a pathetic caving in of 90% of senators to the fear-mongering of the right. The GOP has nothing to offer on any of the issues of the day, so they focus on the past--torture and terror. A recent poll said the public trusts Dems as much on security as Republicans. Too bad that news hasn't reached the Senate yet. |
Most of the Senators don't want these guys in jail in their states, not only that the news yesterday was Europe who complained and yelled about Guantanamo doesn't want to take them them either, even though quite a few of them lived in Europe.
And then yesterday it was also revealed that many of the guys released from Guantanamo have returned to terrorism and militancy.
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Will Guantanamo Bay be Barack Obama's first major failure?
Posted By: Toby Harnden at May 19, 2009 at 23:57:00 [General]
Posted in: Foreign Correspondents
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Barack Obama, Guantanamo Bay, House of Representatives, nimby, Senate
The announcement of the "end" of Guantanamo Bay was characteristically Barack Obama - big fanfare, media swoon and mucho kudos from Europe. Look into the details, however, and the most difficult decisions were postponed and the reality amounted to no real change from George W. Bush.
By "details", I mean where the 240 or so prisoners will actually go. And by "no real change" from Bush, I'm referring to Bush's desire to close Gitmo if the prisoners could be transferred elsewhere.
Four months after the executive order ordering the closure of the Cuban prison, Obama's plan is in some trouble. Today, the Senate followed the lead of the House of Representatives in stripping from a war-spending bill $80 million allocated to the Gitmo closure plan.
Members of Congress have suddenly got a major case of NIMBYism - that's Not In My BackYard ism. In more than 25 states, bills have been passed or introduced banning the transfer of Gitmo prisoners to local soil. Democrats who are opposed to Gitmo's existence and everythig it stands for are among those being the most vocal.
At the same time, European countries who have spent recent years lecturing the US about how Gitmo inmates were poor innocents who threatened no one are engaging in NIMBYism of their own, telling State Department officials that they don't want to host dangerous terrorists.
Obama's already walked back from campaign hints that he would abolish military commissions and changed his mind on releasing pictures of US troops abusing detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The Left is getting pretty cheesed off about these shifts.
White House officials are promising more details on Thursday about how they plan to close Gitmo.
But the clock is ticking and how Obama fulfills his own executive order to close Gitmo while placating Congress, calling in chits from reluctant allies and keeping America safe is shaping up to be one of his biggest challenges. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| NEWBURGH, N.Y. � The four men were ex-convicts who envisioned themselves as holy warriors, ambitious enough to concoct a plot to blow up synagogues and military planes, authorities said. |
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| "The Onta I know wouldn't do something like this, but the new Onta, yeah," said Richard Williams, an uncle. "He wasn't raised this way. All this happened when he became a Muslim in prison." |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090521/ap_on_re_us/us_temple_plot
Go in a thug, come out a Jew hating, terrorist muslim.
Really. Already Obama is stepping up Somali, Sudanese and Palestinian refugee settlement into the US. The Gitmo muslims can't stay there, and can't go to the US. Plan C. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Yes, and another good reason why America should move away from its practice of locking up its populace at the highest rate in the world and blacks at a rate higher than in apartheid South Africa. |
Seconded. It's time to tone down the frequency and duration of imprisonments; we've had chance to see the results of the way we do things currently, and the results are not what they need to be to justify it. |
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Hater Depot
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't we already have terrorists locked up? I remember there were some bombings back in the 90s handled through the regular legal system. Some blind guy. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't we already have terrorists locked up? I remember there were some bombings back in the 90s handled through the regular legal system. Some blind guy. |
I could be wrong but I think all together they spent 250 million total to lock up 17 guys.
70,000 trained in AQ camps. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Yesterday the Senate voted 90-6 against funding the closing of Gitmo-- |
Do tell us: were most of those senators voting against Democrats or Republicans? |
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