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I-am-me



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom

PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 10:21 pm    Post subject: High School Sleepy Heads Reply with quote

Ok, I am at wits end. I really hate seeing heads down while I am teaching, but there is nothing I can do about it. Co-teachers really dont do anything beside rub the students' backs and sometimes whisper a few words to them. What are any of your experiences and what did you finally do about it? Should I just let them sleep away and focus on whoever is listening? Any advice appreciated. Confused Confused
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make them stand up. If that doesn't work take them aside when their doing individual / pairs work and make them do 20 squats.

Today I was pleasantly surprised to see all of my class awake and active apart from one who was sick and wrote me a note at the begining of the class (I'll give them one 'saem, apeoyo' pass per term), and then walk past the neighbouring English teacher's class to see that half of the students had their head down. It is possible - just don't put up with it.
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agoodmouse



Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Location: Anyang

PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I make them stand as an example to their peers as well.
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to solve the problem at its source. Go to the home of each of your students each night and tuck them into bed at 10 or so. Then take away their computer games and consoles. You'll solve it this way, put up with it, or go get on an airplane out. Those are your options.

I know where you're coming from. Being a babysitting fool of idiots who stay up until 3 a.m. playing Warcraft. Been there. Been pissed off at that.

Students, if you want to call them that, have it easy in Asia, boy. If I would have fallen asleep in class back in the day, I would have felt a slap and would have awoken on the floor, or at least halfway out of my seat. My ears would have been ringing. Here it's par for the course. They'll regret blowing their opportunities they're given, with us coming from our home countries to 'teach' them. One day....one day.
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ChinaBoy



Joined: 17 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I slept through classes when I was in school. What's the problem?

Believe me, sometimes it's better to have the troublemakers asleep than awake. If they aren't awake, they can't be annoying everyone and disrupting class.

There are always two sides to every issue.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I make them stand if they put their head down three times. If they're sick, then it's cool. If they pretend to be sick and take advantage of me, thereby embarrassing me, then they do pushups, wall-sits, and sing for me. Happy birthday is good. So is the alphabet song.

I tell them to sleep in math class, not English because they are more likely to use English in the real world than calculus.
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gregoriomills



Joined: 02 Mar 2009
Location: Busan, Korea

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChinaBoy wrote:
I slept through classes when I was in school. What's the problem?

Believe me, sometimes it's better to have the troublemakers asleep than awake. If they aren't awake, they can't be annoying everyone and disrupting class.

There are always two sides to every issue.


To the OP: this can be very good advice, depending on the student!

Do I care as a teacher? Yes.
But figure 2 things: The worst students (especially HS) aren't going to get much of anything out of listening to (disrupting) you anyway. Also, with them asleep, the rest of the class gets much more out of it. I'm not counting, but that's 2 wins in my book, and less stress. Just my 2 cents...
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChinaBoy wrote:
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Believe me, sometimes it's better to have the troublemakers asleep than awake. If they aren't awake, they can't be annoying everyone and disrupting class.

There are always two sides to every issue.


There's actually a third side--the sleepers don't get much in-class participation. When 8 of 10 are sleeping, I guess ya got a pair that can yak-yak-yak.

But the fact they're sleeping in class because they stay up late playing video games is a bit annoying. I don't fly to these outfits to babysit behavior problems.
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I-am-me



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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they do pushups, wall-sits, and sing for me. Happy birthday is good. So is the alphabet song.
Most of these rules I used when I worked at a Hagwon with elementary students. Making them stand I have used. Another korean english teacher told me today that most of his class was sleeping! Wow, if he cannot control the students I think I have an uphill battle to keep them awake. I might have to go with the flow at this school than rocking the boat. It's sad really. Happy Birthday song does sound fun though! Laughing By the way...they even sleep while they stand....lol.
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Kikomom



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give them extra homework on the material they sleep thru then a short, verbal quiz at the beginning of the next class. This will help them stay caught up and refresh the lesson for the rest of the class too. But do it first thing before they have a chance to go back to sleep.
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crosbystillsstash



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let them sleep. don't stress if they don't care why should you
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crosbystillsstash wrote:
Let them sleep. don't stress if they don't care why should you


Because when you leave the job and I follow behind you, I get in trouble when I throw out the sleepers. Again, I don't babysit.

When one comes to my class, he works or he's out. Simple.
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ddeubel



Joined: 20 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Sleep must be very, very important. We have to stay awake all day in order to do it. " - Fried rich Nietzsche

DD
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okokok



Joined: 27 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChinaBoy wrote:
I slept through classes when I was in school. What's the problem?



And look where you are now.
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mishanguyen



Joined: 11 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have this same problem with my middle school students.. the co-teachers don't do anything abt it and i find it very weird.

i've only been at this school for 2 weeks so i dont know how to handle it yet... the former teacher told me that he used to slam books on their tables to wake them up..

i think the homework idea is good.. if they're not gonna participate in class then make them do extra work.. if they dont do that extra work then punish them..

at the end of the day.. ur getting paid whether they sleep or not.. its up to them if they wanna learn.. u cant do anything abt it however it is annoying..
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