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[Robot_Teacher]

Fox, that's really interesting. Maybe you're right. Perhaps it's the freedom from corruptions that's worth fighting and dying for. Maybe justice and accountability has more meaning than full freedom allowing unfettered corruptions to occur like has happened in America in politics, fiscal policy, banking, and business. Perhaps full freedom like America tried is completely a failed concept, becuase it allows the bad guys with big money to take advantage of the masses and causes many socio-economic segrations and hostilities. Perhaps this struggle caused by freedom will lead to Marxism/socialism. Up to this point, freedom has only imprisoned the common people with many inequalities while the rich enjoy what is full freedom due to having too much freedom to exploit the majority. The struggle has led to the recent Credit Card Bill of Rights as American were being taken for a wild ride of crazy fees by the banks, but the big powershots were able to get 1 full year before it goes into effect to further fleece America for it's last dollar as companies just lay more people off with the management idea of being free to cut staff to produce short term stock gains; lining their pockets instead of producing something of value.

You have to a utopian society for freedom to work where everyone behaves in a correct manner, but that's not realistic as America's founders had envisioned and wished for. Why did the world immigrate to do business in America? Free unfettered economy unlike nearly everywhere else with strict controls on foreigners doing business as well as strict laws preventing complete outsourcing of jobs like America did. I agree, full freedom has led to the downfall of America. It's the ethics of what is right and wrong to fight for; not simply freedom itself.

[Koveras]

Of course if one asks "what is true justice" then that whole neat argument disintegrates.

I anticipate that Fox might respond with an Aristotelian argument about the golden mean - at least such a route seems likely given the wording of his post - but we shouldn't forget that for Aristotle the just mean would require differentiating between classes, and between natural masters and natural slaves, not to mention between men and women, all according to their proper function. He might also attempt to commandeer Aristotle's doctrine of the golden mean for his own agenda, whatever it is, thereby implying that Aristotle was wrong about his own idea. In that case what would probably ensue is a justification of historically bizarre modern biases and not a true golden mean at all.

Or if he counters my first sentence by saying that that's the beauty of the liberal way, that it allows for people to have differing views of what true justice consists of, then what he's really arguing for is freedom, and his line of argument deconstructs itself.

In any case I suspect that from a historical point of view Fox is very much prejudiced towards the side of freedom. I apologize to Fox for attempting to anticipate him. I've been drinking a lot of coffee if that explains anything.

[Fox]

[Sergio Stefanuto]

[maximmm]

Is there any particular reason as to why you ask?

I noticed that many here are heretics, since Scientology is the only religion worth dying for!
Deep in your hearts, you know it's true.

Otherwise, it all depends on your ideology. Who is to judge whether your ideology is better than mine?
There is no single belief that EVERYONE would consider to being worth dying for, due to that reasoning.

[Privateer]

[Fox]