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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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 Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 5:22 am Post subject: Why I don't do drugs |
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I don't want any of my money going to fuel this insane violence.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/19/phoenix.drug.kidnappings/index.html
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Andrade, his wife would later tell police, was a mechanic and freelance human smuggler, or coyote. Police say his 2006 kidnapping was evidence of a growing trend in Phoenix: drug and human traffickers abducting each other for ransoms or retribution.
The trend continues, as police investigated roughly a kidnapping a day in 2007 and 2008 and are on track to shatter those numbers this year. Police are stingy with details of fresh cases navigating the court system, but recently allowed CNN to review the files from Andrade's kidnapping.
For two and a half days after Andrade's abduction, the kidnappers -- including a man whom Andrade later said had been a friend -- deprived their victim of food and water. Through the door of the closet where he was held, Andrade could hear the cries of other victims being tortured in the house, the report said.
Meanwhile, Valencia had defied the kidnappers and called police, who listened to Andrade "scream and howl in pain" over the phone as the kidnappers tried to cut off his ear and a finger. The torture would continue until Valencia came up with the ransom, the kidnappers told her. Hear Andrade's wife plead with the kidnappers �
They were true to their word.
Andrade was pistol-whipped and beaten with a baseball bat and the butt of a rifle. The kidnappers tried to gouge out his eye and slashed open his left eyebrow. They burned his back as well -- presumably, police said, with a blowtorch found at the scene.
The blindfolded Andrade "could feel his pants and underwear being cut open by an unknown person," he told police. He was told to bend over and was beaten when he refused.
"Jaime felt his legs being forced apart and heard Aldo say he was going to get his money," the report said. The kidnappers then sodomized him with a broomstick, a pair of scissors and a wooden dowel used to hang clothes in a closet. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:45 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, THAT'S why you shouldn't buy drugs.
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Are you saying that Hater's case provides an argument against BUYING drugs, but not(as he seems to think) against simply taking them? If so, that's true, theoretically. But in practice, I know very few people who actually produce their own illegal drugs. Almost everyone buys them from a supplier, which in most cases links you to a criminal network one way or another.
That said, I've heard Hater's argument before, and I'm not sure I buy it. Yes, there would be none of these violent gangs if nobody bought their product, but on the other hand, there also wouldn't be any of these gangs if the government hadn't criminalized a popular activity that only harms the people who choose to do it.
Suppose the government passed a law tomorrow against drinking coffee. But everyone kept on drinking, and a cartel of violent coffee-selling gangsters sprung into existence. Would we blame the coffee-drinkers, or would we blame the government for passing such a stupid law?
Take a look at this poster from the 1930s
I suppose that this poster could just as easily have read "Prohibition is failing...so quit drinking, scumbag!!" However, the viewpoint of the poster, and pretty much the conventional wisdom about prohibition since then, is that it failed simply because it was a harebrained utopian experiment. No one today really thinks that anyone is a bad person simply because he bought a glass of whiskey some time in the 1920s. |
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BS.Dos.
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| Though I've never spiked, I do miss the flake. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| BS.Dos. wrote: |
| Though I've never spiked, I do miss the flake. |
But then, you don't know what you are missing.  |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| On the other hand wrote: |
| That said, I've heard Hater's argument before, and I'm not sure I buy it. Yes, there would be none of these violent gangs if nobody bought their product, but on the other hand, there also wouldn't be any of these gangs if the government hadn't criminalized a popular activity that only harms the people who choose to do it. |
I agree. I'm all for legalization. If drugs were legal, I'd probably try some. But until then, money spent on drugs is nearly always money that goes to violent gangs and cartels. That's just inescapable. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| A man should do drugs in my opinion. Builds character. Did in my case. |
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rusty1983
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Pink Freud
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Grow your own. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Grow a pair. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Grow a pear? |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Pluto wrote: |
| Grow a pear? |
does that make any sense? |
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vonjunk
Joined: 31 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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~ "but on the other hand, there also wouldn't be any of these gangs if the government hadn't criminalized a popular activity that only harms the people who choose to do it."
I would tend to agree that decriminalizing drugs themselves is the most sensible way to go. Treating drugs as a minor infraction, something like a speeding ticket changes the whole makeup of what drugs are and what kind of offense they pose...but, and this is a big but, drugs+another crime=a worse punishment i.e. if you take drugs and it leads to criminal activities you will punished heavily.
Drugs do not only hurt those that take them. Statistics will point out alcohol involved in many accidents, rapes, ect, so it's a tricky deal legalizing such dangerous chemicals for consumption.
My final idea is to live nearly drug free (I still like some coffee myself) and in the words of the painter Dali when someone asked him if he'd ever taken drugs, he replied "I am a drug."
So, be creative and you don't need to bother with drugs.  |
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DC in Suwon
Joined: 14 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| Pluto wrote: |
| Grow a pear? |
does that make any sense? |
An apple always works. |
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RobLeeTeach
Joined: 20 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:24 am Post subject: LEGAL DRUGS? |
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Are there any "legal drugs" in Korea?
In my eyes, tobacco and alcohol are as much drugs as are marijuana, mushrooms, nitrous, coke, etc....
So anything else besides tobacco and alcohol legal? Absinthe? Salvia?
Not trying to make a political statement. Just looking for some factual answers. |
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