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Carl_00
Joined: 18 May 2009
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 Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 9:08 pm Post subject: ESL long-term (Europe) |
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I'm currently at a hagwon and uncertified. It's unlikely I'll do another year in Korea immediately following this one, but I do find the work interesting, or at the least, potentially satisfying; I just don't like having to spend my energy on controlling children.
Ideally, I want to be at a University, I only want to work with students who want to be there and who want to learn, and thinking long-term, I'd like to be doing this in Europe. So, how best to achieve this? |
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soviet_man
Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Working in EU countries for non-EU citizens has always been difficult with visas and immigration laws. So you have a few hurdles to jump over there before you even start.
Of the non-EU countries like Russia, Ukraine, Turkey ... the pay will be low, on par with mainland China.
It would be pretty essential to get a 4 week CELTA under your belt as well to work in any of them. But there are plenty of nice cities to do it in at least. |
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Carl_00
Joined: 18 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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My British passport will come in handy then.
A CELTA rather than a TEFL? I don't really have a clue about all the available certificates and whatnot, other than they cost a lot.
Can a CELTA be done online? |
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azzwell
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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CELTA cannot be done online. You can however do it in Seoul, either part time or full time.
I did mine in Prague, expensive but worth every penny. People in Korea do not really know what it is but if you want to work in the Middle East or Europe, among other places it is almost always a pre-requisite. |
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buddie3232
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 12:09 am Post subject: |
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Yes, You want a CELTA. This would be your best bet. It is a little cheaper than some of the other CELTA courses. Talk with them. I believe before you leave Vietnam you have to get it notorized by the British Embassy.
http://www.discovereltvietnam.com/page.php?p=20 |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:28 am Post subject: Re: ESL long-term (Europe) |
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| Carl_00 wrote: |
I'm currently at a hagwon and uncertified. It's unlikely I'll do another year in Korea immediately following this one, but I do find the work interesting, or at the least, potentially satisfying; I just don't like having to spend my energy on controlling children.
Ideally, I want to be at a University, I only want to work with students who want to be there and who want to learn, and thinking long-term, I'd like to be doing this in Europe. So, how best to achieve this? |
Need a masters and CELTA....I'd switch jobs in korea to teaching adults....getting a decent, well-paying, job in ESL in Europe is rough buisness without any real certification let alone no e.u. passport. |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:30 am Post subject: Re: ESL long-term (Europe) |
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| Carl_00 wrote: |
I'm currently at a hagwon and uncertified. It's unlikely I'll do another year in Korea immediately following this one, but I do find the work interesting, or at the least, potentially satisfying; I just don't like having to spend my energy on controlling children.
Ideally, I want to be at a University, I only want to work with students who want to be there and who want to learn, and thinking long-term, I'd like to be doing this in Europe. So, how best to achieve this? |
Need a masters and CELTA....I'd switch jobs in korea to teaching adults....getting a decent, well-paying, job in ESL in Europe is rough buisness without any real certification let alone no e.u. passport. |
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Carl_00
Joined: 18 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| If I were to go and do the celta in Europe, what kind of jobs would I be likely to get with 1 year experience in korea and a celta? |
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Of the non-EU countries like Russia, Ukraine, Turkey ... the pay will be low, on par with mainland China.
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Mainland China pays much better than those places listed. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Carl if you are looking at teaching at the university level I would imagine you would need a masters degree. Why not go get one and with your British passport you might be set.
CELTA is a hell of a lot of money. I'll be crying when my wife does that course. |
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PRagic
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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All of the people I've met over the years who have angled for and gotten university positions in N. America and Europe have had 1) their MA, and the bigger named school, the better, 2) their CELTA AND DELTA certifications, and 3) at least 3-5 years of university-level teaching experience in Korea and/or elsewhere.
Good luck OP. The market is competitive, but it shouldn't take you more than 3 years to knock out everything you need education-wise, and then a couple of years to shore up your experience. Very doable. |
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ddeubel
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| Of the non-EU countries like Russia, Ukraine, Turkey ... the pay will be low, on par with mainland China. |
What do you base that upon? I have first hand experience in both Russia and Ukraine and if you play your cards right, they offer the highest paying jobs around. It really has to do with the slavic mentality. Get in with a good company and your apt to be paid very well. Corporate rates. And doesn't just depend on qualifications but if you are intelligent and can do what they want and expect from a teacher.
In 2000 I was in Kyiv and was earning more than $50 / hour at P&G, Ukrainsky Telecom etc... Monthly wage at that time was $80/mth. State of the art conference rooms, facilities etc....
So don't judge a book by its reviews....
DD
http://eflclassroom.com |
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Scamps
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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You have a real advantage being a European yourself.
Is there any particular country you see yourself in?
Personally I think all the certificates are the same. I have a TEFL myself from the Boland School in Suzhou, China (near Shanghai) they also have a school in the Czech Republic. I think taking the class in person is better than online. Employers think that way...
A good site with tons of info is www.goabroad.com
I'm sure you can find something there.
Good Luck |
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Carl_00
Joined: 18 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok then. if I were willing to do the masters is it possible to begin one without having first done a relevant BA? If so, what would be the title of the MA, how much do they cost? would this have to be done back home at university? |
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Aelric
Joined: 02 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok then. if I were willing to do the masters is it possible to begin one without having first done a relevant BA? If so, what would be the title of the MA, how much do they cost? would this have to be done back home at university? |
ummm...are you saying that you don't have a BA or BS relevant to education or English or are you saying that you don't have a BA at all?
If you do, well, Grad Schools can be pricey and will take about two years to get an MA or three to four for a Ph.D, at which point, you wouldn't need to do ESL gigs anymore, but just become a professor at a college back home for much more pay and the students come to you. Grad School will probably put you in debt, however, so remember that it's an investment for your future as a whole and be sure you know what you want to study.
If you haven't gotten a BA or BS yet than your Hagwon probably intends to screw you over in your 1th month claiming you are in contract violation, which you technically are. You also have a long road ahead of you towards getting you MA, as you'll need your base 4 years in university first. I hope you are young. |
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