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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| I was hoping Bigfoot was going to save you. |
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Forward Observer
Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Location: FOB Gloria
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Adventurer, I like you as a poster on this site. But for GOD'S SAKE MAN DO YOU HAVE TO TYPE THREE PARAGRAPHS FOR EVERY DAMNED POST?  |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| I was hoping Bigfoot was going to save you. |
...or an alien... |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Forward Observer wrote: |
| Adventurer, I like you as a poster on this site. But for GOD'S SAKE MAN DO YOU HAVE TO TYPE THREE PARAGRAPHS FOR EVERY DAMNED POST? |
This guy behind me with a guy says so.  All right, I will give you beautiful, marvilloso, shorter posts with such brilliancy that it will make you want to say, "I can't believe it's just a post!".
Moo! |
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eperdue4ad
Joined: 22 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| For the most part, Koreans living in our town are scared of the black people here because there is a stereotype here about them. I hate to say it, but it is kind of deserved. |
No, you don't.
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| I have nothing against black people based on their skin. |
Well, you might.
This is why prevailing attitudes in the Deep South make Southerners unknowingly say ridiculous things. Black, black, black. Unconscious fixation on the thugs' race when retelling the story makes the entire point of the story invalid. A Korean restaurant owner came to a couple's rescue. That's great. Too bad the story was coded in such a way that caused everyone's commentary to digress. We totally missed the point. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 3:47 am Post subject: |
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| eperdue4ad wrote: |
| kentucker4 wrote: |
| For the most part, Koreans living in our town are scared of the black people here because there is a stereotype here about them. I hate to say it, but it is kind of deserved. |
No, you don't.
| kentucker4 wrote: |
| I have nothing against black people based on their skin. |
Well, you might.
This is why prevailing attitudes in the Deep South make Southerners unknowingly say ridiculous things. Black, black, black. Unconscious fixation on the thugs' race when retelling the story makes the entire point of the story invalid. A Korean restaurant owner came to a couple's rescue. That's great. Too bad the story was coded in such a way that caused everyone's commentary to digress. We totally missed the point. |
Goddammit, it's not the DEEP SOUTH!!! It's anywhere in the US. There is no more of a prevailing attitude in Alabama as there is in Pennsylvania. There is a confederate heritage in the south that some people are proud of and which gets media attention, but a prevailing attitude of racism is not endemic all over the south. You could compare the urban US to rural and have a far better comparison than north and south. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| djsmnc wrote: |
| eperdue4ad wrote: |
| kentucker4 wrote: |
| For the most part, Koreans living in our town are scared of the black people here because there is a stereotype here about them. I hate to say it, but it is kind of deserved. |
No, you don't.
| kentucker4 wrote: |
| I have nothing against black people based on their skin. |
Well, you might.
This is why prevailing attitudes in the Deep South make Southerners unknowingly say ridiculous things. Black, black, black. Unconscious fixation on the thugs' race when retelling the story makes the entire point of the story invalid. A Korean restaurant owner came to a couple's rescue. That's great. Too bad the story was coded in such a way that caused everyone's commentary to digress. We totally missed the point. |
Goddammit, it's not the DEEP SOUTH!!! It's anywhere in the US. There is no more of a prevailing attitude in Alabama as there is in Pennsylvania. There is a confederate heritage in the south that some people are proud of and which gets media attention, but a prevailing attitude of racism is not endemic all over the south. You could compare the urban US to rural and have a far better comparison than north and south. |
You forgot to mention the Jim Crowe laws. Those were more or less in the South. It's true there has been plenty of prejudice in New York, Pennsylvania, and in New York's Bohemian areas interracial couples could be refused service. I wouldn't dispute that. The prejudice was more in your face. I would wager that interracial couples became more common in the North than in the South. You also forget that in the South many Catholics would tend to not want to go there, especially the Italians. There were some Italians who were even lynched.
Lynchings, though not prevalent in general, in the US were more prevalent there. Many in the South broke away from the Democrats over the 1964 Civil Rights legislation and then gravitated toward the GOP. This is all well-known, but you dismiss that all. The South has changed dramatically over the past 20 years at any rate with more immigration, people who moved from the Northeast, and a general change in attitudes.
Negative attitudes vis-a-vis one race or the other is all over the country. That much is true. Archie Bunker was not from the South. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
Goddammit, it's not the DEEP SOUTH!!! It's anywhere in the US. There is no more of a prevailing attitude in Alabama as there is in Pennsylvania. There is a confederate heritage in the south that some people are proud of and which gets media attention, but a prevailing attitude of racism is not endemic all over the south. You could compare the urban US to rural and have a far better comparison than north and south.
You forgot to mention the Jim Crowe laws. Those were more or less in the South. It's true there has been plenty of prejudice in New York, Pennsylvania, and in New York's Bohemian areas interracial couples could be refused service. I wouldn't dispute that. The prejudice was more in your face. I would wager that interracial couples became more common in the North than in the South. You also forget that in the South many Catholics would tend to not want to go there, especially the Italians. There were some Italians who were even lynched.
Lynchings, though not prevalent in general, in the US were more prevalent there. Many in the South broke away from the Democrats over the 1964 Civil Rights legislation and then gravitated toward the GOP. This is all well-known, but you dismiss that all. The South has changed dramatically over the past 20 years at any rate with more immigration, people who moved from the Northeast, and a general change in attitudes.
Negative attitudes vis-a-vis one race or the other is all over the country. That much is true. Archie Bunker was not from the South. |
Yes, there has been a long history of racism in the south for sure, but the demographics and mindset have changed a lot in the past 40 years. I have lived in all parts of the US: N, S, E, and W, for extended periods of time before and witnessed racism to varying degrees everywhere. The mindset prevails in all parts of the country but as I mentioned before, urban centers tend to be a bit more cosmopolitan than rural areas. |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Lack of poverty, education, familial cohesiveness, positive authority figures, options, etc. explain everything. It's all about these risk factors, which don't just add up, but compound together. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
| Lack of poverty, education, familial cohesiveness, positive authority figures, options, etc. explain everything. It's all about these risk factors, which don't just add up, but compound together. |
Yes, I agree with all that, but I would also add victomology. A community or culture or country has to take responsibility for its success to some extent. Of course, everyone is a citizen, but there is still this psychological wall of separatism that exists on both sides, and not to focus enough on solutions and problems, but rather blame. When the Duke players were arrested, they were treated as guilty rather than innocent, the players cooperated to the max, and it was claimed they didn't, and people were afraid to defend them, people wouldn't talk about how they helped minorities in the community.
The family cohesiveness and other problems can be looked and ways to help the community if people focus on that and try to take responsibility for the problems down there.
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Chris Rock said it best, there are 2 kinds of black people.
I'll refrain from going into detail what he said. Just know that it is true. |
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eperdue4ad
Joined: 22 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Goddammit, it's not the DEEP SOUTH!!! It's anywhere in the US. There is no more of a prevailing attitude in Alabama as there is in Pennsylvania. There is a confederate heritage in the south that some people are proud of and which gets media attention, but a prevailing attitude of racism is not endemic all over the south. You could compare the urban US to rural and have a far better comparison than north and south. |
I didn't mean the attitude was a racist attitude-- it's more like an unconscious habit some Southerners have to refer to Blacks, Asians, whatever in terms of race when it's not appropriate to the situation.
Not in when describing known people (Mr. Jones is the black teacher wearing a sweater in the photo) but in describing strangers (This morning I saw a black girl wearing a sweater, even though it's so hot).
I should know-- the first 17 years of my life were spent in the Deep South, and I talked this way. And as I find myself gravitating towards other Southerners and befriending Southern transplants, we talk about the phenomenon often. It was a little difficult for many of us to learn to see strangers as people before races.
However, I've never lived in a rural area so I can't attest if it's a rural thing as well; you could be right. |
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John_ESL_White
Joined: 12 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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You are back in the states? Didn't you have your gun? j/k
If you take your wife drinking and you get too drunk to drive home , you have a problem. I hope you do not repeat it, for her sake. Hopefully she'll make friends with the Koreans, divorce you, and marry one of them so she won't get raped, robbed and beaten by the dark criminal element in that Georgia sh99hole.
You shouldn't have been out without friends in the first place if you guys were drinking. And, walking!
I can't imagine putting my wife in a situation like that.
Next time, wait 20 minutes for a taxi man. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Goddammit, it's not the DEEP SOUTH!!! It's anywhere in the US. There is no more of a prevailing attitude in Alabama as there is in Pennsylvania. There is a confederate heritage in the south that some people are proud of and which gets media attention, but a prevailing attitude of racism is not endemic all over the south. You could compare the urban US to rural and have a far better comparison than north and south. |
I didn't mean the attitude was a racist attitude-- it's more like an unconscious habit some Southerners have to refer to Blacks, Asians, whatever in terms of race when it's not appropriate to the situation.
Not in when describing known people (Mr. Jones is the black teacher wearing a sweater in the photo) but in describing strangers (This morning I saw a black girl wearing a sweater, even though it's so hot).
I should know-- the first 17 years of my life were spent in the Deep South, and I talked this way. And as I find myself gravitating towards other Southerners and befriending Southern transplants, we talk about the phenomenon often. It was a little difficult for many of us to learn to see strangers as people before races.
However, I've never lived in a rural area so I can't attest if it's a rural thing as well; you could be right. |
I understand what you are saying, but I have experienced it ("it" being occurrences such as the sweater example you mentioned) all over the US. Perhaps it is a discrepancy in our subjective experiences? I don't know. I have heard it from northerners, southerners, easterners, westerners, and people from outside of the US. It's a matter of habit. Like people here saying "I saw two Korean men..." Well, of course they were Korean, you're in Korea. I just think the thought that people in only one region of the US have a propensity or likelihood of doing/saying such things is a bit more idealistic (or unidealistic?) than realistic. |
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extra_drops
Joined: 25 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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Considering that we all think it is shoddy journalism when Korean papers flash nationalities when a foreigner does something wrong ("Canadian busted for pot") we shouldn't commit the same offense... |
Yes, it IS shoddy journalism. But I see it all the time, especially in the US... It's ALWAYS the case when a foreigner is involved.
Remember that crazy Korean killer in the US? There was emphasis that he was Korean, despite living in the States all his life (without citizenship).
As I said, I think it IS shoddy journalism. But you can't blame the South Korean media when others are doing it too. |
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