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Big_Bird

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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 12:41 am Post subject: Obama making even more expansive claims of executive power |
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Obama is making even more expansive claims of executive power than Bush. As Bruce Fine puts it: �In principle, President Obama is maintaining that victims of constitutional wrongdoing by the U.S. government should be denied a remedy in order to prevent the American people and the world at large from learning of the lawlessness perpetrated in the name of national security and exacting political and legal accountability.�
Obama, in other words, is committed to covering up the Bush regime�s crimes and to ensuring that his own regime can continue to operate in the same illegal and unconstitutional ways.
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 1:18 am Post subject: |
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A bitter pill to swallow. As a man of liberal persuasion, I jumped for joy the day when not only a liberal man, but a liberal man with dark skin (!) was to be President. A pity he's not a gay woman also, but you can't have everything, I suppose. What a let down that the new boss is just the same as the old one. There we all were thinking that, since Obama is moderately articulate and isn't white or old, we were really entering a new era. |
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bacasper

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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 6:49 am Post subject: |
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As Malcolm X said (and as I have been warning people for over a year on this forum), "It is not about a black face in a high place." |
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rollo
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 6:59 am Post subject: |
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He is a politician and is aiming for the center. I fail to understand how is skin color, gender, or sexual orientation would have anything to do with whether someone is qualified for the job. Kind of reverse descrimination. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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rollo wrote: |
He is a politician and is aiming for the center. I fail to understand how is skin color, gender, or sexual orientation would have anything to do with whether someone is qualified for the job. Kind of reverse descrimination. |
Exactly! Especially since that was definitely not one of the primary motivations for many people who had never voted before to vote for him! |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Gopher

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Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:07 am Post subject: |
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Once again, the premises are not as clear or as simple as Counterpunch alleges.
Who says that those non-Americans who wage guerrilla war against the United States and its allies in places such as Afghanistan/Pakistan and Iraq qualify for the American constitution's legal protections?
Geneva Convention and international human-rights standards is one thing. But "victims of constitutional wrongdoing" is hyperbolic and unreasonable in this case. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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rollo wrote: |
He is a politician and is aiming for the center. I fail to understand how is skin color, gender, or sexual orientation would have anything to do with whether someone is qualified for the job. Kind of reverse descrimination. |
I was being sarcastic |
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lithium

Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: Obama making even more expansive claims of executive pow |
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Big_Bird wrote: |
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Obama is making even more expansive claims of executive power than Bush. As Bruce Fine puts it: �In principle, President Obama is maintaining that victims of constitutional wrongdoing by the U.S. government should be denied a remedy in order to prevent the American people and the world at large from learning of the lawlessness perpetrated in the name of national security and exacting political and legal accountability.�
Obama, in other words, is committed to covering up the Bush regime�s crimes and to ensuring that his own regime can continue to operate in the same illegal and unconstitutional ways.
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There was no torture unless there was an intent to torture and there was no intent. |
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Hater Depot
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:07 am Post subject: |
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lithium wrote: |
There was no torture unless there was an intent to torture and there was no intent. |
Under the War Crimes Act, yes. Under the Geneva Conventions, no. |
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