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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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 Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 12:41 am Post subject: |
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Don't contradict the poster who is actually there and not just guessing- like you. This is all over the news and could soon affect all foreign teachers in Korea. |
I'm contradicting him based on exactly what he claimed was going on there. 10 Koreans in quarantine with them. He's contradicting himself. You've already proven in multiple threads you can't seem to keep up with conversations so why do you even bother? |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:09 am Post subject: |
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Don't contradict the poster who is actually there and not just guessing- like you. This is all over the news and could soon affect all foreign teachers in Korea. |
I'm contradicting him based on exactly what he claimed was going on there. 10 Koreans in quarantine with them. He's contradicting himself. You've already proven in multiple threads you can't seem to keep up with conversations so why do you even bother? |
Chill out, dude. Why all of the "gotcha" when you know he's sick and in a bad situation? No one there wants to be there and we're actually lucky he's posting the updates. The fact that the media is blaming this on foreign teachers means this could become something that impacts all of us who happen to be foreign teachers in Korea.
If you've never been in quarantine, just watch and learn. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:20 am Post subject: |
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Chill out, dude. Why all of the "gotcha" when you know he's sick and in a bad situation? No one there wants to be there and we're actually lucky he's posting the updates. The fact that the media is blaming this on foreign teachers means this could become something that impacts all of us who happen to be foreign teachers in Korea.
If you've never been in quarantine, just watch and learn. |
Because false claims of racism when he's contradicting statements he's already made don't help anyone. If you have so much trouble following conversations I recommend you make some notes and read the threads 2 or 3 times before you make comments. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:58 am Post subject: |
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Chill out, dude. Why all of the "gotcha" when you know he's sick and in a bad situation? No one there wants to be there and we're actually lucky he's posting the updates. The fact that the media is blaming this on foreign teachers means this could become something that impacts all of us who happen to be foreign teachers in Korea.
If you've never been in quarantine, just watch and learn. |
Because false claims of racism when he's contradicting statements he's already made don't help anyone. If you have so much trouble following conversations I recommend you make some notes and read the threads 2 or 3 times before you make comments. |
Cross Mr. read the following twice and thrice as well, and I am not saying it in a flame-bait way.
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| What's a bit frustrating is that there were many people who we worked with during training who live here and are Korean who aren't under quarantine, but rather some form of house arrest. Again, I don't think it's entirely racism, merely incompetence and a weak attempt to isolate people and they're starting with the widest group possible: a bunch of mostly foreigners who trained together AND lived in the same hotel for a week. |
As you can see, many Koreans who were there were not taken to the facility. Some of them were, some of them weren't. That can lead one to think there is a mixture of incompetence and prejudice/xenophobia.
It doesn't make sense not to quarantine the Koreans who worked with the foreigners during the said training. Frankly, I don't care about the xenophobia as much as the idiocy. You are supposed to gather everyone in a proper quarantine. And the poster said he doesn't think it's entirely racism, that means he believes there is some racism at play, but he contributes it more to ignorance and incompetence, and he is more diplomatic than superacid who only sees one component, a malevolent one in his mind.
There is a perception, quite often, that foreigners bring illinesses. Well, that may be true. In the same vein a Korean woman with a horrible form of tuberculosis illegaly traveled to Australia with the help of her daughter who was living there.
People travel and diseases travel. |
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Smee
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 3:11 am Post subject: |
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A university near me issued the following email on a change in policy to fight the disease. An excerpt:
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The Ministry of Education, Science, and Technology (MEST) announced on May 25 that educational institutions are to be vigilant in safeguarding against the spread of influenza.
This includes monitoring personnel, especially foreign nationals and others who have entered from abroad recently. Symptoms of H1N1 are acute infectious respiratory conditions, including a fever of over 37 degrees Celsius accompanied by nasal mucous, congestion, sore throat, or cough.
Teaching personnel exhibiting the above conditions are to be prohibited from carrying out their teaching duties and must be reported to the district public health center for treatment.
Entrants into Korea from areas with a relatively high incidence of H1N1 (namely, Mexico, USA, Canada, UK, Spain, Japan) are prohibited from reporting to their workplace (in this case, _____________________) for seven days after entry, until the H1N1 incubation period has passed. |
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/05/one-local-university-vigilant-in-face.html |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 4:44 am Post subject: |
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Chill out, dude. Why all of the "gotcha" when you know he's sick and in a bad situation? No one there wants to be there and we're actually lucky he's posting the updates. The fact that the media is blaming this on foreign teachers means this could become something that impacts all of us who happen to be foreign teachers in Korea.
If you've never been in quarantine, just watch and learn. |
Because false claims of racism when he's contradicting statements he's already made don't help anyone. If you have so much trouble following conversations I recommend you make some notes and read the threads 2 or 3 times before you make comments. |
Most of us would be inclined to believe people who are there and posting blogs with picture and video over someone who's not there. What proof do you have that he's lying? |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 4:56 am Post subject: |
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Most of us would be inclined to believe people who are there and posting blogs with picture and video over someone who's not there. What proof do you have that he's lying? |
Should I mail you a notepad and pen?
How about the comments of gnawbert who is also there and also blogging and also posting photos? He said he didn't agree with his assessment of there being any racism.
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| Superacid has his opinion, and it's not shared with me, despite being in the same circumstances |
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| I think my opinion and superacid's are different because I'm erring on the side of Korea. They really seem like they don't have a clue what they're doing and it's sort of a big cluster$%# at the moment. I don't think there's any implied racism, just over all incompetence through and through. We're at a facility outside Seoul in Seocho-dong, the Human Resource Development Center...basically a government training area that's been turned into a quarantine camp. |
Maybe you can just wait for the thread to be over and read the coles notes version.
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Cross Mr. read the following twice and thrice as well, and I am not saying it in a flame-bait way.
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What's a bit frustrating is that there were many people who we worked with during training who live here and are Korean who aren't under quarantine, but rather some form of house arrest. Again, I don't think it's entirely racism, merely incompetence and a weak attempt to isolate people and they're starting with the widest group possible: a bunch of mostly foreigners who trained together AND lived in the same hotel for a week. |
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Actually I'll go back and read what this started over.
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What's bullsh_t is that it's not just "foreign teachers." We have at least ten Koreans in our quarantine group. One Korean has been infected as of the 16th from her transit through Narita. Except for the few Koreans in our group, the other Koreans are being allowed to quarantine-in-place.
This "arrest" is crap. I could just as easily be staying in my apartment right now. But since I'm a foreigner, I can't be trusted? I really want to sneeze on a pig.
I remember when bird flu was here.. did they quarantine Koreans in government facilities? Nope.
This is more nationalistic racist crap. Quarantine-in-place is one thing, but to just generically round up all of the foreigners and put them in a guarded, secluded, non-disclosed space.. that's ridiculous.
This wouldn't bother me if it weren't for the racist aspect. How about quarantining ALL people who enter the country during a specific period, not just whitey. |
After he gets done telling us how 10 of the 30 are korean he goes on to start ranting about racism. It would be much easier and more practical to look at it as though the teachers were being quarantined. Perhaps because they spent more time with the infected. There are also at least 10 people quarantined at the hospital which they don't have information on, and who knows where else people might be quarantined at. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Most of us would be inclined to believe people who are there and posting blogs with picture and video over someone who's not there. What proof do you have that he's lying? |
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Should I mail you a notepad and pen?
How about the comments of gnawbert who is also there and also blogging and also posting photos? He said he didn't agree with his assessment of there being any racism. |
Crossmr, Gnawbert didn't say that he didn't agree with his assessment of there being any racism. He said he didn't believe its entirely connected to racism, but points to incompetence and ignorance. Basically, he is saying he believes there is some racism there, but he is not focusing on it being some malevolent motivation like superacid. Superacid, in his mind, only sees bad intentions, and he doesn't, but that's different than your claims that he said there is no racism at play. I checked his writing. The gentleman is trying to be balanced, but he does seem to believe there is some xenophobia at play. I read what he wrote, as well, and I would agree with him. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:45 am Post subject: |
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Crossmr, Gnawbert didn't say that he didn't agree with his assessment of there being any racism. He said he didn't believe its entirely connected to racism, but points to incompetence and ignorance. Basically, he is saying he believes there is some racism there, but he is not focusing on it being some malevolent motivation like superacid. Superacid, in his mind, only sees bad intentions, and he doesn't, but that's different than your claims that he said there is no racism at play. I checked his writing. The gentleman is trying to be balanced, but he does seem to believe there is some xenophobia at play. I read what he wrote, as well, and I would agree with him. |
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| I don't think there's any implied racism, just over all incompetence through and through. |
That is pretty clear, He said he didn't believe there was any racism, not that it isn't entirely connected to racism and he doesn't indicate anywhere in there that he thinks there is some racism. If he's writing somewhere else that he feels there is, I can only go with what is on the thread. I'm not going to follow people all over the internet and read up on everything they've written everywhere. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 7:11 am Post subject: |
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Crossmr, Gnawbert didn't say that he didn't agree with his assessment of there being any racism. He said he didn't believe its entirely connected to racism, but points to incompetence and ignorance. Basically, he is saying he believes there is some racism there, but he is not focusing on it being some malevolent motivation like superacid. Superacid, in his mind, only sees bad intentions, and he doesn't, but that's different than your claims that he said there is no racism at play. I checked his writing. The gentleman is trying to be balanced, but he does seem to believe there is some xenophobia at play. I read what he wrote, as well, and I would agree with him. |
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| I don't think there's any implied racism, just over all incompetence through and through. |
That is pretty clear, He said he didn't believe there was any racism, not that it isn't entirely connected to racism and he doesn't indicate anywhere in there that he thinks there is some racism. If he's writing somewhere else that he feels there is, I can only go with what is on the thread. I'm not going to follow people all over the internet and read up on everything they've written everywhere. |
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| What's a bit frustrating is that there were many people who we worked with during training who live here and are Korean who aren't under quarantine, but rather some form of house arrest. [b]Again, I don't think it's entirely racism, merely incompetence and a weak attempt to isolate people and they're starting with the widest group possible: a bunch of mostly foreigners who trained together AND lived in the same hotel for a week. |
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CMR, let's look at the words I underlined shall we? "Again, I don't think its entirely racism....". That entails if the language is correct that the author of those words believes there is some racism at play i.e. partially.
I am not a linguist, just an EFL teacher, but that's the logical inference one would make based on what the words "not entirely" means.
Then, if you read the words he wrote after that, it seems to me, that he is saying that he believes superacid is exaggerating the racism, and that he feels its overwhelmingly connected to incompetence and ignorance, and he agrees with superacid that more should have been confined.
Unless, the writer didn't intend to write the words "not entirely". |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| What's a bit frustrating is that there were many people who we worked with during training who live here and are Korean who aren't under quarantine, but rather some form of house arrest. [b]Again, I don't think it's entirely racism, merely incompetence and a weak attempt to isolate people and they're starting with the widest group possible: a bunch of mostly foreigners who trained together AND lived in the same hotel for a week. |
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CMR, let's look at the words I underlined shall we? "Again, I don't think its entirely racism....". That entails if the language is correct that the author of those words believes there is some racism at play i.e. partially.
I am not a linguist, just an EFL teacher, but that's the logical inference one would make based on what the words "not entirely" means.
Then, if you read the words he wrote after that, it seems to me, that he is saying that he believes superacid is exaggerating the racism, and that he feels its overwhelmingly connected to incompetence and ignorance, and he agrees with superacid that more should have been confined.
Unless, the writer didn't intend to write the words "not entirely". |
Not entirely is a weasel word and could mean anything. However it isn't a ringing endorsement of superacid's point of view and his racism and black helicopters which wylies is jumping all over. The point was there are people there who don't feel like superacid, wylies was claiming his pov was the only one worth listening to, and he was yet again contributing to a thread without bothering to read or process all that has been said in it and coming off half-cocked. |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 7:40 am Post subject: |
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Crossmr, Gnawbert didn't say that he didn't agree with his assessment of there being any racism. He said he didn't believe its entirely connected to racism, but points to incompetence and ignorance. Basically, he is saying he believes there is some racism there, but he is not focusing on it being some malevolent motivation like superacid. Superacid, in his mind, only sees bad intentions, and he doesn't, but that's different than your claims that he said there is no racism at play. I checked his writing. The gentleman is trying to be balanced, but he does seem to believe there is some xenophobia at play. I read what he wrote, as well, and I would agree with him. |
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| I don't think there's any implied racism, just over all incompetence through and through. |
That is pretty clear, He said he didn't believe there was any racism, not that it isn't entirely connected to racism and he doesn't indicate anywhere in there that he thinks there is some racism. If he's writing somewhere else that he feels there is, I can only go with what is on the thread. I'm not going to follow people all over the internet and read up on everything they've written everywhere. |
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| What's a bit frustrating is that there were many people who we worked with during training who live here and are Korean who aren't under quarantine, but rather some form of house arrest. [b]Again, I don't think it's entirely racism, merely incompetence and a weak attempt to isolate people and they're starting with the widest group possible: a bunch of mostly foreigners who trained together AND lived in the same hotel for a week. |
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CMR, let's look at the words I underlined shall we? "Again, I don't think its entirely racism....". That entails if the language is correct that the author of those words believes there is some racism at play i.e. partially.
I am not a linguist, just an EFL teacher, but that's the logical inference one would make based on what the words "not entirely" means.
Then, if you read the words he wrote after that, it seems to me, that he is saying that he believes superacid is exaggerating the racism, and that he feels its overwhelmingly connected to incompetence and ignorance, and he agrees with superacid that more should have been confined.
Unless, the writer didn't intend to write the words "not entirely". |
Winner. |
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Gnawbert
Joined: 23 Oct 2007
Location: The Internet
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Crossmr, Gnawbert didn't say that he didn't agree with his assessment of there being any racism. He said he didn't believe its entirely connected to racism, but points to incompetence and ignorance. Basically, he is saying he believes there is some racism there, but he is not focusing on it being some malevolent motivation like superacid. Superacid, in his mind, only sees bad intentions, and he doesn't, but that's different than your claims that he said there is no racism at play. I checked his writing. The gentleman is trying to be balanced, but he does seem to believe there is some xenophobia at play. I read what he wrote, as well, and I would agree with him. |
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| I don't think there's any implied racism, just over all incompetence through and through. |
That is pretty clear, He said he didn't believe there was any racism, not that it isn't entirely connected to racism and he doesn't indicate anywhere in there that he thinks there is some racism. If he's writing somewhere else that he feels there is, I can only go with what is on the thread. I'm not going to follow people all over the internet and read up on everything they've written everywhere. |
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| What's a bit frustrating is that there were many people who we worked with during training who live here and are Korean who aren't under quarantine, but rather some form of house arrest. [b]Again, I don't think it's entirely racism, merely incompetence and a weak attempt to isolate people and they're starting with the widest group possible: a bunch of mostly foreigners who trained together AND lived in the same hotel for a week. |
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CMR, let's look at the words I underlined shall we? "Again, I don't think its entirely racism....". That entails if the language is correct that the author of those words believes there is some racism at play i.e. partially.
I am not a linguist, just an EFL teacher, but that's the logical inference one would make based on what the words "not entirely" means.
Then, if you read the words he wrote after that, it seems to me, that he is saying that he believes superacid is exaggerating the racism, and that he feels its overwhelmingly connected to incompetence and ignorance, and he agrees with superacid that more should have been confined.
Unless, the writer didn't intend to write the words "not entirely". |
Winner. |
Yep, that's pretty much exactly how I felt, and I how I still feel. If you've been following my blog, you'll note that things have taken a turn for the positive in the last 24 hours and there's an actual game plan in place now so hopefully the incompetence has subsided. |
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Zantetsuken
Joined: 21 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I actually had some smart ass kid ask me in Korean if I got a shot for the flu because all 외국인 have this disease (his words not mine...and for those that think I might have misunderstood....I made him repeat 3 times and checked the vocab thoroughly) Xenophobia for the win...I am expecting more of this crap from the 민족 as time progresses. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, that's pretty much exactly how I felt, and I how I still feel. If you've been following my blog, you'll note that things have taken a turn for the positive in the last 24 hours and there's an actual game plan in place now so hopefully the incompetence has subsided.[/quote]
You are trying to see the positive in your experience, and you are trying to be a bigger person by not dramatizing the situation more than it needs to be. You probably know there were folks in Mexico who didn't make out of this. You are not in any danger. You know that the Koreans dealing with you are not showing malevolence, perhaps some ignorance, because they didn't follow what we might associate with quarantine protocol. In my opinion, when we try to dramatize things it's for the sake of ego, and you try to stay humble, and that's what people should do. Of course, drama can be entertaining. It's always best to be resolute and calm.
Be calm, fine, happy in your situation. You will be out in some days and say places and people you've missed that you're lucky to see again.
Sometimes, I know it sounds cheesy, but I remember the prayer "Now, I lay me down to sleep", though I didn't really say it, I remember that every day I wake up, someone just didn't.
When you know that, you can have a reason to smile...... You could have been one of those folks who died in Mexico, but you're in quarantine in Korea and alive.
Jim, live long and prosper. |
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