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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| But to smear a whole demographic, tens of thousands of people, based on the arrests of a handful of teachers is irresponsible and xenophobic. That goes without saying, of course, and we all know that here. |
No, sadly we don't all know that here. Every day some idiot will say that they were shoved, therefore all Koreans are rude. Their boss cheated them, so all Koreans are dishonest. Some Korean yelled at them so all Koreans are racist. A huge chunk of this board is made up of idiotic complaints like this yet relatively few of those haters are called on it. |
Madoka, please don't compare a message board made up of adults with a "newspaper" that is READ by Korean children to help them learn English-ee. 
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Yes, please don't compare. It would be too hard to tell who comes off worst in the 'over-generalizing' sweepstakes. |
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Smee
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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On May 8, the Seoul Metropolitan Police Agency (서울경찰청) announced that they have *arrested a 38-year-old Nigerian English teacher on charges of supplying illegal drugs to teachers. On top of that, six other native English teachers were charged with *habitual illegal drug consumption.
Of the six teachers, three were Canadians, two were Americans, and one was a New Zealander.
The teachers have been teaching English at elementary schools or famous English hagwons in Seoul.
According to the police, the Nigerian teacher sold *hashish since the end of last year. The six teachers are suspected of having smoked hashish five to nine times at home and bars in Itaewon. Shockingly, some of them took drugs late at night and went to work and taught classes while they were intoxicated.
A *disgruntled 12-year-old student who requested *anonymity said, �I can�t believe my parents are working hard to send me to an English hagwon where a teacher could possibly be a drug user.�
Another student said that she wishes the government would do a thorough background check on native English teachers prior to granting employment.
The police believe that there could be more drug users among native English teachers in Korea. So they will continue to *probe the case. |
the asterisks are where words are followed with a Korean translation.
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/05/text-of-junior-heralds-intoxicated.html |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| wylies99 wrote: |
| madoka wrote: |
| Smee wrote: |
| But to smear a whole demographic, tens of thousands of people, based on the arrests of a handful of teachers is irresponsible and xenophobic. That goes without saying, of course, and we all know that here. |
No, sadly we don't all know that here. Every day some idiot will say that they were shoved, therefore all Koreans are rude. Their boss cheated them, so all Koreans are dishonest. Some Korean yelled at them so all Koreans are racist. A huge chunk of this board is made up of idiotic complaints like this yet relatively few of those haters are called on it. |
Madoka, please don't compare a message board made up of adults with a "newspaper" that is READ by Korean children to help them learn English-ee.
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Yes, please don't compare. It would be too hard to tell who comes off worst in the 'over-generalizing' sweepstakes. |
Yeah, there's a difference.
Adults read this forum and can filter out what they choose. It's called maturity. Kids read the Junior Herald and believe what they read. It's called immaturity.
BTW, UrbanMyth and Madoka- now that Smee has posted the full article, please let us know what you like about it and why you think it's so awesomely awesome. You (both) must like it because you're flaming others for criticizing it. |
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Boodleheimer
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Location: working undercover for the Man
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| a Nigerian English teacher????? well, THERE's your problem! nobody checked his passport when they gave him his visa. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Here's the full text:
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On May 8, the Seoul Metropolitan Police Agency (서울경찰청) announced that they have *arrested a 38-year-old Nigerian English teacher on charges of supplying illegal drugs to teachers. On top of that, six other native English teachers were charged with *habitual illegal drug consumption.
Of the six teachers, three were Canadians, two were Americans, and one was a New Zealander.
The teachers have been teaching English at elementary schools or famous English hagwons in Seoul.
According to the police, the Nigerian teacher sold *hashish since the end of last year. The six teachers are suspected of having smoked hashish five to nine times at home and bars in Itaewon. Shockingly, some of them took drugs late at night and went to work and taught classes while they were intoxicated.
A *disgruntled 12-year-old student who requested *anonymity said, �I can�t believe my parents are working hard to send me to an English hagwon where a teacher could possibly be a drug user.�
Another student said that she wishes the government would do a thorough background check on native English teachers prior to granting employment.
The police believe that there could be more drug users among native English teachers in Korea. So they will continue to *probe the case. |
the asterisks are where words are followed with a Korean translation.
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/05/text-of-junior-heralds-intoxicated.html |
Odd that I've never had a single high school student express any knowledge of or interest in background checks for FTs, but these elementary school students have. |
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wylies99
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| That part was written by an adult with an axe to grind. |
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birdflower
Joined: 18 Jan 2007
Location: Australia
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 3:11 am Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Smee wrote: |
Here's the full text:
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On May 8, the Seoul Metropolitan Police Agency (서울경찰청) announced that they have *arrested a 38-year-old Nigerian English teacher on charges of supplying illegal drugs to teachers. On top of that, six other native English teachers were charged with *habitual illegal drug consumption.
Of the six teachers, three were Canadians, two were Americans, and one was a New Zealander.
The teachers have been teaching English at elementary schools or famous English hagwons in Seoul.
According to the police, the Nigerian teacher sold *hashish since the end of last year. The six teachers are suspected of having smoked hashish five to nine times at home and bars in Itaewon. Shockingly, some of them took drugs late at night and went to work and taught classes while they were intoxicated.
A *disgruntled 12-year-old student who requested *anonymity said, �I can�t believe my parents are working hard to send me to an English hagwon where a teacher could possibly be a drug user.�
Another student said that she wishes the government would do a thorough background check on native English teachers prior to granting employment.
The police believe that there could be more drug users among native English teachers in Korea. So they will continue to *probe the case. |
the asterisks are where words are followed with a Korean translation.
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/05/text-of-junior-heralds-intoxicated.html |
Odd that I've never had a single high school student express any knowledge of or interest in background checks for FTs, but these elementary school students have. |
The reporter should be FIRED for making up the quote. How stupid does he think we are?
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 3:57 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't doubt that it IS true. I don't know what else a kid would say if someone came up to them and asked 'so, how do you feel about being taught by a foreigner on drugs?" Even if you don't really care/think about it, you're not going to say 'I think that would be great!'. All they would have to do is ask 'so... do you think we should do background checks?'-- in words that a kid would understand, and after this reporter has scared the hell out of them with stories of foreigners on drugs, they're basically going to agree with anything... and then probably go home horrified, and thinking things about their teacher that they wouldn't otherwise be thinking.
I don't really see this article as directly attacking all foreigners, but it is one in a long line of articles designed to exploit the Korean public's extreme ignorance and fear of the outside world.
Whether or not there's a definite political agenda driving it is unclear-- but it's definitely not doing anyone any good that I can see. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| [At my first hagwon, I had kindie kids tell me to "Stop drinking too much soju" and "Stop raping Korea girls." |
So, uh, did you stop? |
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birdflower
Joined: 18 Jan 2007
Location: Australia
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject: Fight Back! Save the Children! |
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If this was done to adults that would be bad, but to brainwash innocent kids into hating foreigners is a million times worse. Putting such propaganda into education material is so immoral. It's an abuse of power. Furthermore, making up a quote, as well as possibily other facts, is bad journalism. I encourage everyone to complain to the e-mail addresses above. Fight back! Save the children! |
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earthbound14
Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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It's possible the quote was real. My mother in law didn't want my wife to marry me because she thought Canadians were all amoral drug users due to the crap in the press. If parents believ what's in the press like my mother in law, they will spew this stuff verbatim to their kids who will repeat it like sheep at school.
But I doubt any 12 year old would have spoken so well. Perhaps they were coached.
Journalist - "Do you think it's a good idea for your parents to pay so much money to hogwans when it might be probable that your foreign English teacher is a drug user?"
Child - "No."
Then the quote you see gets edited and printed claiming the child had the foresight to request anonymity. |
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creeper1
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
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| [At my first hagwon, I had kindie kids tell me to "Stop drinking too much soju" and "Stop raping Korea girls." |
So, uh, did you stop? |
Erm? If you want to talk about quotes that are hard to attribute to kids them you only have to look at the one above.
As if a Kindy student would know the Korean word for rape yet alone the English. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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BTW, UrbanMyth and Madoka- now that Smee has posted the full article, please let us know what you like about it and why you think it's so awesomely awesome. You (both) must like it because you're flaming others for criticizing it. |
Exactly WHO did I flame for criticizing the article?
The article is a bunch of junk. My point was that it's not even worth getting stirred up about.
I'm betting it's some troll who was the actual writer or "source" for this article who gets his sick jollies riling up the teachers on Dave's or some other place and then sits back and laughs. Why give him what he wants? |
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RyanInKorea
Joined: 17 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| creeper1 wrote: |
| madoka wrote: |
| wylies99 wrote: |
| [At my first hagwon, I had kindie kids tell me to "Stop drinking too much soju" and "Stop raping Korea girls." |
So, uh, did you stop? |
Erm? If you want to talk about quotes that are hard to attribute to kids them you only have to look at the one above.
As if a Kindy student would know the Korean word for rape yet alone the English. |
I am in total agreement. This is also complete BS, possibly even more so than the news artcile.
Ryan |
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Rory_Calhoun27
Joined: 14 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Smee, wanted to reply to your site, but it is so dang complicated- near impossible.
Anyway, those quotes are totally bogus! Some writer just made it up for another evil English teachers story.
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As Randolph Hurst said, "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story... or quote!" 
Did he? Maybe..... maybe not! I'll leave it up to the reader to decide...  |
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