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Crockpot2001
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 3:23 pm Post subject: Pesticide |
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I've been concerned over the unknown stuff they've been spraying on the trees in the summers. I approached a sprayer crew last year when they were spraying a tree...just outside an open daycare center window in Songdo. The crew leader did speak English but refused to show me the MSDS sheet (Materials Safety Data Sheet) and assured me the product was safe and meant to kill mosquitoes. I'm no expert but don't mosquitoes breed in the water and in the cracks in the soil?
Yesterday I got sprayed walking out of my building. I walked over to the Bongo truck, grabbed an empty bottle of the concentrated stuff they were dumping into the larger blue tank and took it home.
The main active ingredient is Dichlorovos - 50%. I goggled it and found varying thoughts on it, mostly leaning hard to the "dangerous" side. The bottle has a skull and x-bones on it. there is also an insect, and pelican on the label, both with a line through them. I won't jump to conclusions about the intended meaning.
Just thought you might be interested. |
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John_ESL_White
Joined: 12 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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lol.
You should be more concerned about the nasty chems floatig in the air a few klicks away from you coming from the Namdong Industrial Complex than the insecticide.
Buy a mask and deal with it. You aren't going to change the world.
Bravo for stealing though. Must've shocked the working adjussis plenty.
PS- there's a 56in LCD at the local hi-Mart-ah that I want. If you snatch and grab it, I'll give you 300K |
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Crockpot2001
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| John_ESL_White wrote: |
lol.
You should be more concerned about the nasty chems floatig in the air a few klicks away from you coming from the Namdong Industrial Complex than the insecticide.
Buy a mask and deal with it. You aren't going to change the world.
Bravo for stealing though. Must've shocked the working adjussis plenty.
PS- there's a 56in LCD at the local hi-Mart-ah that I want. If you snatch and grab it, I'll give you 300K |
Odd response, John, but not off target. Even though this topic is slightly related to the reason my wife and I are here, our experience is that the receiving ears shut closed when it comes from white folks, even experts. Par for the course I understand.
Yes, Namdong is so bad that when I drive or ride through there I can taste it but only a little more than the rest of Incheon.
As for stealing, I was merely keeping another plastic bottle from being burned next to some lettuce crop or being used to store makkoli. You are on your own for stealing new things. |
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detourne_me
Joined: 26 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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just wait till you see kids chasing after the spray truck as its driving down the street indiscriminatly spewing the stuff everywhere  |
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Crockpot2001
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| detourne_me wrote: |
| just wait till you see kids chasing after the spray truck as its driving down the street indiscriminatly spewing the stuff everywhere |
During the summer, the local park, hundreds of local are out until well after midnight walking the path, eating dinner, and wearing out the kids. The waking path is shared by the pedestrians and the fogger truck with no effort to avoid each other. It must work, since I've never heard of mosquitoes breading in a Korean's respiratory system. |
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John_ESL_White
Joined: 12 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Crockpot2001 wrote: |
| John_ESL_White wrote: |
lol.
You should be more concerned about the nasty chems floatig in the air a few klicks away from you coming from the Namdong Industrial Complex than the insecticide.
Buy a mask and deal with it. You aren't going to change the world.
Bravo for stealing though. Must've shocked the working adjussis plenty.
PS- there's a 56in LCD at the local hi-Mart-ah that I want. If you snatch and grab it, I'll give you 300K |
Odd response, John, but not off target. Even though this topic is slightly related to the reason my wife and I are here, our experience is that the receiving ears shut closed when it comes from white folks, even experts. Par for the course I understand.
Yes, Namdong is so bad that when I drive or ride through there I can taste it but only a little more than the rest of Incheon.
As for stealing, I was merely keeping another plastic bottle from being burned next to some lettuce crop or being used to store makkoli. You are on your own for stealing new things. |
I'll take a used 46in LCD if you are opposed to snatching a new one.
The namdong IC pollution is killing my lungs. Its almost time to move to the country.
Anyway, I just think it was funny of you to question the poor worker adjussis spraying their insecticide. I imagine they were really confused by this white guy yammering away at them and then running off with an empty bottle of the stuff.
BTW, what have you done with the bottle? Just curious. |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't worry. It's probably just DDT. |
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eperdue4ad
Joined: 22 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Pesticide |
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Yesterday I got sprayed walking out of my building. I walked over to the Bongo truck, grabbed an empty bottle of the concentrated stuff they were dumping into the larger blue tank and took it home.
The main active ingredient is Dichlorovos - 50%. |
I'm really glad you did that, since I've been wondering what is being sprayed. Hope you washed thoroughly afterwards!
So now, how do you get rid of it? Take the bottle to a pharmacy (preferably a large one near a hospital) and ask them to please dispose of it properly. The Korean pharmacies supposedly take all leftover medicines, chemicals, etc and somehow dispose of them so we don't have as much toxicity. Don't ask me how. Just to let everybody know you don't have to pour your extra meds down the toilet or trash them.
Check out what I found re: DICHLORVOS [slight spelling difference]
What is dichlorvos?
Dichlorvos is an insecticide that is a dense colorless liquid. It has a sweetish smell and readily mixes with water. Dichlorvos used in pest control is diluted with other chemicals and used as a spray. It can also be incorporated into plastic that slowly releases the chemical.
How likely is dichlorvos to cause cancer?
It is not known whether dichlorvos causes cancer in people. A study in rats and mice reported that rats had an increase in cancer of the pancreas and in leukemia, and female mice had an increase in stomach cancer after they were fed dichlorvos for 2 years.
The Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) has determined that dichlorvos may reasonably be anticipated to be a carcinogen. The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has determined that dichlorvos is possibly carcinogenic to humans. The EPA has determined that dichlorvos is a probable human carcinogen.
above is from [url] http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts88.html#bookmark08 [/url]
Koreans also have high rates of stomach cancer. Correlation? |
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eperdue4ad
Joined: 22 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Um, I'm going to get flamed as an alarmist but just one more:
Health issues
Dichlorvos has a high acute toxicity: the oral LD50 in rats is between 56 and 108mg/kg. It is classified by the WHO as a Class IB, 'highly hazardous'(4). The dermal toxicity is similar to oral toxicity, and dermal exposure is a cause for concern.
Most human poisonings have resulted from the splashing of concentrated formulations onto the skin. Failure to remove the splash has proved fatal.
Dichlorvos is classified as 'toxic if swallowed', 'very toxic by inhalation', and 'toxic in contact with skin', by the NPU. |
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Hindsight
Joined: 02 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Dichlorvos (2,2-dichlorovinyl dimethyl phosphate), or DDVP is a highly volatile organophosphate, widely used as a fumigant to control household pests, in public health, and protecting stored product from insects. It is effective against mushroom flies, aphids, spider mites, caterpillars, thrips, and whiteflies in greenhouse, outdoor fruit, and vegetable crops. It is also used in the milling and grain handling industries. Dichlorvos is used to treat a variety of parasitic worm infections in dogs, livestock, and humans. It is fed to livestock to control bot fly larvae in the manure. It acts against insects as both a contact and a stomach poison. It is available as an aerosol and soluble concentrate. It is also used in pet collars and "no-pest strips" as pesticide-impregnated plastic. The United States Environmental Protection Agency first considered a ban on DDVP in 1981. Since then it has been close to being banned on several occasions, but continues to be available. Major concerns are over acute and chronic toxicity. There is no conclusive evidence of carcinogenicity to date. |
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Actives/dichlorv.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichlorvos
So that's what it is.
I saw them spraying a tree by my apartment near the bus stop. A man waved me away, frantically, so I crossed the street, but the breeze carried the spray my way and I got covered, anyway. I walked several blocks to another bus stop.
Later that day I had cold sores on my tongue, and the next day, several joints ached. This is not normal.
I remember Dichlorvos pet colars. I put one on an adult cat, and soon noticed a distinct change in his behavior. It seemed to be making him sick, so I took it off and never used it again. It was also in the flea spray, which I used. It didn't seem to control the fleas, anyhow.
I know someone who put a powerful pet colar, I suspect Dichlorvos, on a kitten, and later found that he had developed a cleft palate.
I don't think adults should be exposed to this stuff, and I think children definitely should be kept far away.
I'm not the only one who thinks it is dangerous:
Health issues
Acute toxicology
Dichlorvos has a high acute toxicity: the oral LD50 in rats is between 56 and 108mg/kg. It is classified by the WHO as a Class IB, 'highly hazardous'(4). The dermal toxicity is similar to oral toxicity, and dermal exposure is a cause for concern.
Most human poisonings have resulted from the splashing of concentrated formulations onto the skin. Failure to remove the splash has proved fatal. Prompt removal has resulted in symptoms of intoxication but full recovery after treatment. Dichlorvos vaporises quickly. Cholinesterase inhibition has been reported from exposure by inhalation after the use of dichlorvos in non-ventilated or poorly ventilated areas(5).
Reports from the UK National Poisons Unit (NPU) show that between 1983 and 1990, 98 individual cases of poisoning involving dichlorvos were reported.
Dichlorvos is classified as 'toxic if swallowed', 'very toxic by inhalation', and 'toxic in contact with skin', by the NPU.
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Actives/dichlorv.htm
Another organophosphate insecticide with possible brain effects, dichlorvos, is found in 8.3 million households and applied 72 million times per year, mostly indoors via foggers and pest strips. "Indoor air use of pesticide products in the home is the main source of exposure for children," says toxicologist William Pease of the University of California-Berkeley School of Public Health. Pease asserts that exposures from household use exceed those from pesticide residues on food. His review of San Francisco Bay area poison control center records revealed cases of children becoming sick after crawling on freshly sprayed floors and carpet. "Basically, pesticide products do not need active ingredient coating all spaces in the home," says Pease.
http://www.ehponline.org/docs/1995/103-6/focus.html
Take a look at the "human related effects" from the National Park Service:
Health-Related Effects�
Routes of Entry:
Skin absorption, inhalation,
ingestion
Organs Affected:
Central nervous system
.4cute Eficts (short-term):
Range from mild
to severe-inability to walk, chest discomfort,
constriction of pupils, muscular twitching,
unconsciousness, and seizures
Chronic Effects (long-term):
Slowness of
thinking, memory defects, irritability, and
delayed reaction times
Carcinogenic Effects:
Available test data
under review by EPA2
Reproductive Effects:
Suspected human
teratogen, causes birth defects and fetal death
in laboratory rats
http://www.nps.gov/history/museum/publications/conserveogram/02-04.pdf |
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