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sharkey



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i went ballasitic yesterday.. haha .. for those who tell you shouting doesnt help.. i beg to differ... i screamed as loud as i could because i have these two monsters in my class who just started wrestling in the middle of class... i went ballastic and put them in their chair, had the korean teacher translate something for me and then they didnt move a single muscle the whole class..

im going to go and talk with the principal about just how far i can discipline these kids , what to do if i have out of control kids or someting like that .. because i dont want to do something that could get me in trouble ...

haha one day i sent a kid to him and as soon as i left the room i heard screams hahahah little bugger got it good
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm...this is definately a problem here in Korea (and everywhere else I bet)

I arrived here about a month and a half ago. Before then I had experience as a manager at a restaurant. One thing that taught me- it is better to be respected than liked. Be strict first, then lax. Not lax first, then strict.

LAY DOWN THE LAW. You are in charge. You are the adult. Bang a desk. Use stress positions. Take away break time. Assign extra homework. If your allowed to bust out the whoopin stick. Don't let that sissy liberal 'discipline is wrong' mindset infect your brains. BUT....never lose your temper. Raise your voice and get loud, but never yell or scream. Your 'in charge' voice should have several different 'gears'. Make sure you always have one gear higher you can go into.

Make clear the system of rewards and punishments. It may be the co-teachers job to control the class, in theory. Really it is your job. You are a teacher- discipline is part of your responsibilities.

Let the kids have it. Zero tolerance. The big surprise- most kids will forgive you real easily. The next day they are all smiles again. Be their friend out in the halls and give candy then. But in the class you are the boss. When you say jump- they had better jump.
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.

PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:

Bottom line. Your job is not to control the classroom. Your job is to provide native English experience to the students. If your CT or school cannot provide an environment in which you can do so, then appeal as high as you need to to make it happen. .


Word. This is some of the best advice you'll recieve about teaching in a public school in Korea.
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ekul



Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first grade classes are the biggest pain in the arse. Most of the third grades behave pretty well. I see them once a week so we just take it easy, where as the first grades I actually try and improve, maybe that has something to do with it. Either way from my experience the behaviour of the class is directly proportional to the ability of the Korean teacher. The one's that second guess your discipline drive me up the wall. How can you tell kids to come on time when their Korean teacher strolls in 10 minutes late? I know why she does it, she is a little wimpy bitch and likes to leave the settling of the kids down to me because she can't hack it.

Anyway c'est la vie. I'm learning good classroom management skills here, but once I have that down and a bit more cash I'm out of this ESL mugs game.
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldfatfarang wrote:
poet13 wrote:

Bottom line. Your job is not to control the classroom. Your job is to provide native English experience to the students. If your CT or school cannot provide an environment in which you can do so, then appeal as high as you need to to make it happen. .


Word. This is some of the best advice you'll recieve about teaching in a public school in Korea.


While in theory this should work. Most supervisors suffer from some form of sleep deprivation. They will take the Korean teachers side of the arguement 80# of the time. Unless of course you personally know that supervisor. Only than that said superviser will suggest a transfer.
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The Gipkik



Joined: 30 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:

Bottom line. Your job is not to control the classroom. Your job is to provide native English experience to the students. If your CT or school cannot provide an environment in which you can do so, then appeal as high as you need to to make it happen.


This is based on a few assumptions. First, that you don't have permission to control the classroom, either by your school or coteacher. Second, that you don't believe you are a real teacher, don't want to be a real teacher, or can't be bothered. Then don't. Third, that the students don't or won't respect you as a teacher in the first place so the very effort is futile anyways.

If this is the case for you--then follow this sage advice. All I can say is that not all schools are even remotely similar in situation and student perception. Many schools will allow NETs more room to maneuver if they have shown that they know how to deal with classroom management effectively. What this means is that when a NET uses a technique and it WORKS, then the NET will continue to get more latitude, even if it is very gradual. It's all about self-perception and your school's perception.

Finally, some tried and true techniques don't work immediately. They might even take months to truly make an impact, but it will be lasting. Even after you're long gone.
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Xuanzang



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang

PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The apathy starts from the 6th grade of elementary school. Maybe even sooner. I see it right now in my sixth graders and in third/fourth grade. The kids who give a crap will most likely continue to give a crap in MS. The kids who dont bring anything - books, pencil or a positive attitude will be the one doing the stances in the halls.
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bundangbabo



Joined: 01 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All you do with disruptive/naughty students is say to the co-teacher - 'Take over the class Miss Kim - I'm taking so and so to the principals office' and watch child and co-teacher shit themselves - mind you - you have to follow through with the threat but it never gets that far because as soon as I am out of the door with the offending child - so is the co-teacher begging me not to take so and so to the principals office - this tactic has worked for the past year - try it! Twisted Evil
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sharkey wrote:
i went ballasitic yesterday.. haha .. for those who tell you shouting doesnt help.. i beg to differ... i screamed as loud as i could because i have these two monsters in my class who just started wrestling in the middle of class... i went ballastic and put them in their chair, had the korean teacher translate something for me and then they didnt move a single muscle the whole class..

im going to go and talk with the principal about just how far i can discipline these kids , what to do if i have out of control kids or someting like that .. because i dont want to do something that could get me in trouble ...


Be careful with this, as you may just get the vaguest of advice.
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
sharkey wrote:
i went ballasitic yesterday.. haha .. for those who tell you shouting doesnt help.. i beg to differ... i screamed as loud as i could because i have these two monsters in my class who just started wrestling in the middle of class... i went ballastic and put them in their chair, had the korean teacher translate something for me and then they didnt move a single muscle the whole class..

im going to go and talk with the principal about just how far i can discipline these kids , what to do if i have out of control kids or someting like that .. because i dont want to do something that could get me in trouble ...


Be careful with this, as you may just get the vaguest of advice.


Unhelpful too. Something along the line that you have to learn more about Korean culture.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fishead soup wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
sharkey wrote:
i went ballasitic yesterday.. haha .. for those who tell you shouting doesnt help.. i beg to differ... i screamed as loud as i could because i have these two monsters in my class who just started wrestling in the middle of class... i went ballastic and put them in their chair, had the korean teacher translate something for me and then they didnt move a single muscle the whole class..

im going to go and talk with the principal about just how far i can discipline these kids , what to do if i have out of control kids or someting like that .. because i dont want to do something that could get me in trouble ...


Be careful with this, as you may just get the vaguest of advice.


Unhelpful too. Something along the line that you have to learn more about Korean culture.


If you ever get specific advice at work it will always be for the most absurd matters (such as how you should smoke a cigarette). For anything related to teaching, expect only the most pointless or useless advice possible. No where would this be more the case than with disciplinary matters (except for one teacher who sits behind me who tells me I should hit the students harder and more often).
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
Fishead soup wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
sharkey wrote:
i went ballasitic yesterday.. haha .. for those who tell you shouting doesnt help.. i beg to differ... i screamed as loud as i could because i have these two monsters in my class who just started wrestling in the middle of class... i went ballastic and put them in their chair, had the korean teacher translate something for me and then they didnt move a single muscle the whole class..

im going to go and talk with the principal about just how far i can discipline these kids , what to do if i have out of control kids or someting like that .. because i dont want to do something that could get me in trouble ...


Be careful with this, as you may just get the vaguest of advice.


Unhelpful too. Something along the line that you have to learn more about Korean culture.


If you ever get specific advice at work it will always be for the most absurd matters (such as how you should smoke a cigarette). For anything related to teaching, expect only the most pointless or useless advice possible. No where would this be more the case than with disciplinary matters (except for one teacher who sits behind me who tells me I should hit the students harder and more often).


Which is why I'm glad my only interaction with my Principal, and Vice Principal is during soju drinking at staff parties.
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