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Texan Woman Told to Remove American Flag From Office
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Geckoman



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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:13 pm    Post subject: Texan Woman Told to Remove American Flag From Office Reply with quote

Texan Woman Told to Remove American Flag From Office
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,522659,00.html

Why was she told to remove the flag?

Because "a woman who immigrated to the United States from Africa 14 years ago, complained about the flag to upper management."

You'd think the immigrate would have some appreciation for the American flag. After all, she "chose" to immigrate to the United States.

Cool
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Manner of Speaking



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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love to hear the story behind this story...it sounds as like she was one of these so-over-the-top people constantly chanting about "how my daughter is a hero in eye-rack" types that she finally got on the nerves of everybody around her. Cool
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manner of Speaking wrote:
"eye-rack"


Hehe eye-rack. Love it. Of course, civilised people would call it ear-rack. Cool
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Leslie Cheswyck



Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the article:
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The statement went on to explain: �The disagreement was over the size of the flag and not what it symbolized. We have invited the employee to put the flag back up.�


But you'd think they could endure it for a few days, no? Memorial Day, 4th of July, etc.

And from which African country is our immigrant friend? Wouldn't be Somalia, would it? Laughing
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mole



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:
Manner of Speaking wrote:
"eye-rack"


Hehe eye-rack. Love it. Of course, civilized[my spellcheck fixed] people would call it ear-rack. Cool

Interesting. Have either of you been there? I have. 'Eye-rack' is correct. Likely a military thing.
Of course we all know from our vast experiences in Korea and elsewhere abroad that romanization and the resultant utterings are rarely similar to the target language.
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mole wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
Manner of Speaking wrote:
"eye-rack"


Hehe eye-rack. Love it. Of course, civilized[my spellcheck fixed] people would call it ear-rack. Cool

Interesting. Have either of you been there? I have. 'Eye-rack' is correct. Likely a military thing.
Of course we all know from our vast experiences in Korea and elsewhere abroad that romanization and the resultant utterings are rarely similar to the target language.


And do you call Germany 'Deutschland' too? Cool

btw, my spelling is more civilised. Razz
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Koveras



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 1:53 am    Post subject: Re: Texan Woman Told to Remove American Flag From Office Reply with quote

Geckoman wrote:
You'd think the immigrate would have some appreciation for the American flag.


For a second I thought that said "immingrate", and I thought that was sort of stupid yet also clever.
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JMO



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a co worker who says a-rab rather than ar-ab. I had no idea such people actually existed.
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mises



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JMO wrote:
I have a co worker who says a-rab rather than ar-ab. I had no idea such people actually existed.


You find the accent distasteful?
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mole



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:
mole wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
Manner of Speaking wrote:
"eye-rack"


Hehe eye-rack. Love it. Of course, civilized[my spellcheck fixed] people would call it ear-rack. Cool

Interesting. Have either of you been there? I have. 'Eye-rack' is correct. Likely a military thing.
Of course we all know from our vast experiences in Korea and elsewhere abroad that romanization and the resultant utterings are rarely similar to the target language.

And do you call Germany 'Deutschland' too? Cool

btw, my spelling is more civilised. Razz

Perhaps correct. I remember reading that some person or council was enlisted for the sole purpose of changing spellings, some usages, words, etc.
to make the language suitable for the new spread.
Deutschland I might use, but prolly not, as my ex-wife's father was a fairly fluent kraut.

Now that you've got me in 1991 flashback mode, we called the country "rrROCK." eur rak.
Ya know? my favorite tape during my little war was the Clash- Combat Rock . Tangerine Dream for nighttime/sleep. bah. whateva.

Here's some discussion on how to pronounce Arab.
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agoodmouse



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
JMO wrote:
I have a co worker who says a-rab rather than ar-ab. I had no idea such people actually existed.


You find the accent distasteful?


It's uneducated pronunciation, in the least. My thinking is, the co-worker won't change his pronunciation even if corrected. Gee, I wonder why.
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Leslie Cheswyck



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone remember this song? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n5oiGID9mM&feature=related
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

agoodmouse wrote:
mises wrote:
JMO wrote:
I have a co worker who says a-rab rather than ar-ab. I had no idea such people actually existed.


You find the accent distasteful?


It's uneducated pronunciation, in the least. My thinking is, the co-worker won't change his pronunciation even if corrected. Gee, I wonder why.


Usually, people say it that way aren't particular fond of that ethnic group, but we can't know for sure. It depends on the person saying it. As far as pronouncing the I in Iraq or in Iran like the word "eye", that's rather common in the U.S. I am not sure if some in England would pronounce it that way, as well. As far as that lady who asked for the flag, they should ignore her and tell her she is not in America now and if she's a citizen she a took an oath, and it's a flag of the United States of America, point blank.
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Manner of Speaking



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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Research in linguistics has shown that when two languages come into contact with each other, they often seem to compete for dominance, almost as though the languages themselves were living, 'fighting' entities. Every language has rules in its phonology that allow certain sound clusters while excluding others. English, for example, allows certain consonant clusters, while Japanese has almost none. It's common, therefore, that when certain English words become incorporated into the Japanese vocabulary, their sounds are changed to become closer to native Japanese phonological rules..."suh-kee" for "ski", etc.

However, most educated individuals are capable of learning how to pronounce foreign-language phonological combinations...assuming they don't have a condescending or patronizing attitude towards the language or towards foreign languages and cultures in general.

It was common during the time of the British Empire, for example, to "anglicize" many foreign words for concepts and place names that originated in "inferior" cultures and regions. Examples abound: "Bombay" for Mumbai; "Peking" for Beijing; "Tsingtao" for Qingdao, "Cairo" for Al-Qahira, and so on. Anglicization was often, though not always, part of a process of suborning native cultures to make them more like the dominant culture, and was/is a form of imperialism.

The "eye-rack" thing is something along the same lines. It is derived from the sometimes-still-used - and deliberately condescending - practice of referring to people whose ancestors came from the region south of the Alps as "eye-talian". And it is used regardless of the fact that the correct pronunciation in English is (IPA) /ɪˈr�k/ or /iˈrɑːk/.

Since the act of invading Iraq was a deliberate revival of 19th century colonialism, the condescending name-change among some should come as no surprise.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Texan Woman Told to Remove American Flag From Office Reply with quote

Geckoman wrote:
Texan Woman Told to Remove American Flag From Office
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,522659,00.html

Why was she told to remove the flag?

Because "a woman who immigrated to the United States from Africa 14 years ago, complained about the flag to upper management."

You'd think the immigrate would have some appreciation for the American flag. After all, she "chose" to immigrate to the United States.

Cool

Typical FOX story.

Make people think that there are so many immigrants in the U.S., that even an American flag is unacceptable...than drum up more hatred against the 'other'...

Meanwhile, in my experience, many immigrants are even more pro-Americans than most Americans...but for FOX news, it is important to create that distinction - white equals american, and everything else is 'other' and questionable.
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