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ashland
Joined: 05 Dec 2008
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 Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: He died. There was a funeral. Now go home! |
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| moosehead wrote: |
- but is it worth it to continue agitating like this? there was a week-long memorial, a public funeral, plenty of publicity, now it's time to go home.
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i couldn't agree more with the OP.
btw what are these people?
are they simply Roh followers?
or they just don't like LMB?
do they have a job? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
If you actually ask Korean people they will tell you that they really don't like the style of 2MB. Too many flashbacks to the dictator days. Noh's death is a vehicle to protest against the strong-arm tactics being used by 2MB to prevent other protests.
2MB is a bit too fond of sending out the riot police. He also hates those candle-lit protests, yet Korean people love them. And it's not just leftist agitators. These protests consist of a pretty wide cross-section. A lot of high-school and college students. |
Depends on who you ask.
"I'm sick of those protestors."
"They are mindless."
"They look for any excuse to protest."
"They are Leftists."
"They need to go to work."
Were all quotes Koreans said to me last week. |
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The Grumpy Senator
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
Location: Up and down the 6 line
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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It is amazing to me that people (coff, Moosehead) continue to post about things they know nothing about. Try to understand why people do things before coming on here and bashing it. You would be surprised at the big world that will open up infront of you!!
Learn about Roh Moo-hyun and you will see why many people feel very strongly about him. Korea is still in its infancy as far as a modern democracy and Roh Moo-hyun is a very important figure. He was the first president truely elected by the people. He has a history of helping those less fortunate or those being discrimminated against. The people feel he was the "President of the People" in the same way Americans feel about Obama.
To come on here and make the sort of post you have shows what kind of person [Mod Edit] you truly are. |
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traxxe
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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People felt so strongly about Roh they voted his party right out of office and replaced him almost overwhelmingly so with the Korean version of George Bush.
Now, that he is dead... he was the next coming of The Korean Bear God from which some believe the Korean people originated.
We don't know how corrupt he was because he didn't stick around for the investigation. Considering he campaigned on an anti-corruption platform... heh.
The city shouldn't let these people on the grass at city hall. The last time they let Koreans on the grass they camped out for weeks and a ton of damages accrued during the U.S. beef protests.
I am designing collaping candles. Basically they are huge hard wax reingforced candles that can snap out to form battle swords to engage the police at during a moments notice.
I plan on being rich.
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The Grumpy Senator
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Ahhh, Traxxe. Another of the "post about things I have no clue about, but bash Korea anyway" types.
Presidents cannot run for a second term.....Next!!!  |
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traxxe
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| The Grumpy Senator wrote: |
It is amazing to me that people (coff, Moosehead) continue to post about things they know nothing about. Try to understand why people do things before coming on here and bashing it. You would be surprised at the big world that will open up infront of you!!
Learn about Roh Moo-hyun and you will see why many people feel very strongly about him. Korea is still in its infancy as far as a modern democracy and Roh Moo-hyun is a very important figure. He was the first president truely elected by the people. He has a history of helping those less fortunate or those being discrimminated against. The people feel he was the "President of the People" in the same way Americans feel about Obama.
To come on here and make the sort of post you have shows what kind of elistist, biggot you truely are. |
You're brilliant, Roh Tae Woo was the first elected president of the people. It is not the same way that many Americans feel about Obama. He was unpopular when he left office. |
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The Grumpy Senator
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Talk to sopme Koreans instaed of making up stories about locking them in armbars and you will learn a thing or two. |
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traxxe
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| The Grumpy Senator wrote: |
Ahhh, Traxxe. Another of the "post about things I have no clue about, but bash Korea anyway" types.
Presidents cannot run for a second term.....Next!!! |
Again [Mod Edit], I'm well aware of term limits in Korea. Roh was unpopular when he left office. He let the other party take the election away from his party due to his unpopularity.
The comparison to Bush was made simply because Clinton had the scandal and thus let the Conservatives win the next election. If there was no scandal we would not of had Bush and Gore would of been elected. IMO. |
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moosehead
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| The Grumpy Senator wrote: |
It is amazing to me that people (coff, Moosehead) continue to post about things they know nothing about. Try to understand why people do things before coming on here and bashing it. You would be surprised at the big world that will open up infront of you!!
Learn about Roh Moo-hyun and you will see why many people feel very strongly about him. Korea is still in its infancy as far as a modern democracy and Roh Moo-hyun is a very important figure. He was the first president truely elected by the people. He has a history of helping those less fortunate or those being discrimminated against. The people feel he was the "President of the People" in the same way Americans feel about Obama.
To come on here and make the sort of post you have shows what kind of person [MOD EDIT] you truely are. |
I'm not a bigot (and you misspelled it, btw) and this post is NOT about me - it's about the conscious denial of reality as exhibited by the large number of people who gather on the streets downtown Seoul for no purpose other than they can.
you must be K since you are so quick to make attempts at deflecting the topic of this thread and instead resort to name-calling and disparaging remarks against individuals for simply pointing out the obvious.
i.e., this stopped being about Roh the day after the funeral. |
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The Grumpy Senator
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
Location: Up and down the 6 line
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| moosehead wrote: |
| The Grumpy Senator wrote: |
It is amazing to me that people (coff, Moosehead) continue to post about things they know nothing about. Try to understand why people do things before coming on here and bashing it. You would be surprised at the big world that will open up infront of you!!
Learn about Roh Moo-hyun and you will see why many people feel very strongly about him. Korea is still in its infancy as far as a modern democracy and Roh Moo-hyun is a very important figure. He was the first president truely elected by the people. He has a history of helping those less fortunate or those being discrimminated against. The people feel he was the "President of the People" in the same way Americans feel about Obama.
To come on here and make the sort of post you have shows what kind of elistist, biggot you truely are. |
I'm not a bigot (and you misspelled it, btw) and this post is NOT about me - it's about the conscious denial of reality as exhibited by the large number of people who gather on the streets downtown Seoul for no purpose other than they can.
you must be K since you are so quick to make attempts at deflecting the topic of this thread and instead resort to name-calling and disparaging remarks against individuals for simply pointing out the obvious.
i.e., this stopped being about Roh the day after the funeral. |
Nevermind, you have Korea all figured out. Don't you? You have all the answers!!! All bow to Mighty Mossehead, the all knowing of things Korea!!!
You wonder why you are miserable here. |
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traxxe
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| The Grumpy Senator wrote: |
| Talk to sopme Koreans instaed of making up stories about locking them in armbars and you will learn a thing or two. |
I have. As little as one suicide ago they were disgusted and ashamed of him. I've discussed this with educated members of Korean society and professors. I've also discussed this with students. Now they all sing his praises and have forgotten largely about how they felt about him before he swan dived.
Some though, still do remember and not all have forgotten that he was very unpopular when leaving office. His unpopularity hindered his party to win the next election and brough us LMB.
You need [Mod Edit] to think for yourself. You're 'making up stories' accusations are sad and I won't respond simply because I know the truth. |
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The Grumpy Senator
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Moose,
If I am a K (as you call them), it that a bad thing? You always seems to accuse people of being trolls, alcoholics and Ks. I was just wondering what your opinion of Ks was since you like to throw that out there a lot. I think your reply would help enlighten many of us on this board as to your viewpoints and beliefs.
Thanks!! |
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cwaddell
Joined: 23 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Jeeeeesus. You two, stop throwing your toys out the pram and do something productive. And, don't say that this was unproductive, because it took a whopping 5 seconds.
Anyway, to stay on topic..... I respect the way the Korean people are mourning for Roh, but, I'm sick of demos/vigils/protests just for the sake of it. High school kids even think it's 'cool'. It's not, it's just bloody sad. |
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The Grumpy Senator
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| traxxe wrote: |
| The Grumpy Senator wrote: |
| Talk to sopme Koreans instaed of making up stories about locking them in armbars and you will learn a thing or two. |
I have. As little as one suicide ago they were disgusted and ashamed of him. I've discussed this with educated members of Korean society and professors. I've also discussed this with students. Now they all sing his praises and have forgotten largely about how they felt about him before he swan dived.
Some though, still do remember and not all have forgotten that he was very unpopular when leaving office. His unpopularity hindered his party to win the next election and brough us LMB.
You need [Mod Edit] to think for yourself. You're 'making up stories' accusations are sad and I won't respond simply because I know the truth. |
Roh Moo-hyun was a founder of the Uri Party. That party was broken into different parties for the last election because of a power struggle. While Roh popularity as President in poles was not that high; I think it is safe to say he is loved by the people. Look at his life not the last year of his term as president.
I have spoken to both Roh supporters and Lee supporters who praise the man. Many say that his actions will lead to the transparency of Korean politics.
Although the man made some mistakes, he did many great things for this country. To not see that is to not look. It is easy to bash what you do not understand. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| cwaddell wrote: |
Jeeeeesus. You two, stop throwing your toys out the pram and do something productive. And, don't say that this was unproductive, because it took a whopping 5 seconds.
Anyway, to stay on topic..... I respect the way the Korean people are mourning for Roh, but, I'm sick of demos/vigils/protests just for the sake of it. High school kids even think it's 'cool'. It's not, it's just bloody sad. |
Demo's aren't sad. They're an essential part of a healthy democracy. People of all countries should do mass demo's regularly to keep their government on it's toes and remember that people power in the form of mass demonstrations has deposed corrupt governments before, like Romania in 1989 for example, and can do it again.
If 2MB's government continues to try and prevent demo's happening by intimidation tactics, parking police buses around Seoul Plaza, I believe they are making an even bigger problem for themselves in the near future. There's a lot of resentment building about how he handled the US Beef protests and now this Noh thing.
I've talked to a few educated and politically aware Koreans. They say they haven't seen such a tough-tactic government since the days of the various dictators. |
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