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Splenda
Joined: 13 May 2009
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 Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 12:12 pm Post subject: When it comes to hiring practices... |
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Why is it that Korean employers express preference for whites foreigners over native English speaking Indians, Blacks, and other peoples of dark complexion? Korea has the reputation as the most xenophobic country in all of Asia.
Does Korea have a intractable problem of racism and belief in Korean and White superiority?  |
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digsydinner
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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it's the safer bet for some...when most of them are hiring you "sight unseen". also, it's for marketing to the parents.
based on my experience, non-white teachers i've met here tend to have some form of accent as english was not their first language. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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| digsydinner wrote: |
| it's the safer bet for some...when most of them are hiring you "sight unseen". also, it's for marketing to the parents. |
It's also illegal.
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| based on my experience, non-white teachers i've met here tend to have some form of accent as english was not their first language. |
Everyone has an accent. |
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Ruthdes
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: When it comes to hiring practices... |
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| Splenda wrote: |
Why is it that Korean employers express preference for whites foreigners over native English speaking Indians, Blacks, and other peoples of dark complexion? Korea has the reputation as the most xenophobic country in all of Asia.
Does Korea have a intractable problem of racism and belief in Korean and White superiority? |
You don't have to read many posts on here or live here for very long to realise that Koreans are often very xenophobic. In the Korean mind, I think the rankings of superiority go something like this:
1) Korean Asian
2) Caucasian
3) Everyone else (clearly from poor countries or Japan )
Having said that, there are always exceptions and people who are trying to break free from what they've been told their whole life.
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it's the safer bet for some...when most of them are hiring you "sight unseen". also, it's for marketing to the parents.
based on my experience, non-white teachers i've met here tend to have some form of accent as english was not their first language. |
Wow. You've only been a member a week and already I see your posts and expect some inflammatory comment. Previously it was maligning all NETs, but now you've moved on to only the non-white ones. I don't think I've met any non-white NETs who speak English with an accent other than the usual one from the country they're from. Most people were actually born in the country they are from. For the record, my managing instructor is black Canadian and she is fantastic (and has a Canadian accent *gasp*). |
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michaelambling
Joined: 31 Dec 2008
Location: Paradise
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| digsydinner wrote: |
| it's the safer bet for some...when most of them are hiring you "sight unseen". also, it's for marketing to the parents. |
It's also illegal.
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| based on my experience, non-white teachers i've met here tend to have some form of accent as english was not their first language. |
Everyone has an accent. |
It's not illegal in Korea. You can't discriminate against gender or nationality, but race is fair game. |
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digsydinner
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: When it comes to hiring practices... |
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| Ruthdes wrote: |
Wow. You've only been a member a week and already I see your posts and expect some inflammatory comment. Previously it was maligning all NETs, but now you've moved on to only the non-white ones. I don't think I've met any non-white NETs who speak English with an accent other than the usual one from the country they're from. Most people were actually born in the country they are from. For the record, my managing instructor is black Canadian and she is fantastic (and has a Canadian accent *gasp*). |
member for a week yes, but i've been here teaching for about a year. as mentioned, i'm speaking and sharing from my experience...obviously everyone has their own. the first school i was with employed a girl from philippines. very sweet and kind person...but her english, although better than most koreans', was sub-par compared to other english teachers...even i couldn't understand her english at times. the school owner ended up letting her go due to parents complaining too much. |
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Ruthdes
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: When it comes to hiring practices... |
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| digsydinner wrote: |
| Ruthdes wrote: |
Wow. You've only been a member a week and already I see your posts and expect some inflammatory comment. Previously it was maligning all NETs, but now you've moved on to only the non-white ones. I don't think I've met any non-white NETs who speak English with an accent other than the usual one from the country they're from. Most people were actually born in the country they are from. For the record, my managing instructor is black Canadian and she is fantastic (and has a Canadian accent *gasp*). |
member for a week yes, but i've been here teaching for about a year. as mentioned, i'm speaking and sharing from my experience...obviously everyone has their own. the first school i was with employed a girl from philippines. very sweet and kind person...but her english, although better than most koreans', was sub-par compared to other english teachers...even i couldn't understand her english at times. the school owner ended up letting her go due to parents complaining too much. |
OK, but the OP wasn't talking about non-native English speakers, he/she was talking about non-white native English speakers. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| As stated, it's mainly for the benefit of the parents. Not a very tolerant generation of people. Kids are kids they don't know the difference. |
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digsydinner
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: When it comes to hiring practices... |
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| Ruthdes wrote: |
OK, but the OP wasn't talking about non-native English speakers, he/she was talking about non-white native English speakers. |
right...however, there are a group of folks teaching here that claim to be "native" speakers...who really aren't...and from my experience, they happen to be the ones who aren't white. at least for me, it looks like schools want to minimize their risks. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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You'll be hard pressed to score an answer off of a predominantly white ESL teachers' board!
Get yourself a load of surveys printed up, scare up a clipboard and a pen, and hit the streets of Myongdong. Kindly fill us in when you compile your results. |
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travelingfool
Joined: 10 Mar 2008
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Since everyone loves to make comparisons to the US, I will make one of my own.
Last week Obama nominated a female Hispanic to the supreme court. This woman is a radical, activist judge who believes in legislating from the bench. She said that as a Hispanic female she would make better decisions than a white male. From the beginning of the selection process it was made very clear that no males, let alone white males, should even bother applying for the job. Shouldn't the most qualified person be given the job regardless of race?
How is this not racist? How is affirmative action not racist? |
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digsydinner
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| travelingfool wrote: |
Since everyone loves to make comparisons to the US, I will make one of my own.
Last week Obama nominated a female Hispanic to the supreme court. This woman is a radical, activist judge who believes in legislating from the bench. She said that as a Hispanic female she would make better decisions than a white male. From the beginning of the selection process it was made very clear that no males, let alone white males, should even bother applying for the job. Shouldn't the most qualified person be given the job regardless of race?
How is this not racist? How is affirmative action not racist? |
it's an obamanation. it's all downhill from here... |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: When it comes to hiring practices... |
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| digsydinner wrote: |
| Ruthdes wrote: |
OK, but the OP wasn't talking about non-native English speakers, he/she was talking about non-white native English speakers. |
right...however, there are a group of folks teaching here that claim to be "native" speakers...who really aren't...and from my experience, they happen to be the ones who aren't white. at least for me, it looks like schools want to minimize their risks. |
Ever hear of nationality or passport? |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| It's not illegal in Korea. You can't discriminate against gender or nationality, but race is fair game. |
In practice. But in law, no. First place to look is their own constition that guarantees (yeah, right!) "fundamental and inviolable human rights of individuals." And before anyone pipes up with "it only applies to Korean citizens," let me remind everyone that Korean courts have already ruled that their constitution does apply to non-Koreans. Another thing to remember is that their are Korean citizens who are not 100% "Korean race."
The Korean government will continue to be nothing but a joke until it actually takes action against those abusing "non-Koreans." |
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digsydinner
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: When it comes to hiring practices... |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
Ever hear of nationality or passport? |
a u.s. passport doesn't necessarily mean you speak "native" english... the girl i used to work with was philippino-american with a u.s. passport and claimed to speak "native" english... however, she spoke in broken english as well... |
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