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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 6:55 am Post subject: Backdating Pension, Tax and NHIC? |
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hi all,
if any of the forum experts could please advise.
i had pension and NHIC insurance written into my 1st year hogwan contract, but i didn't apply to get these benefits.
im starting at a new hogwan for my 2nd year. im wondering, if i now apply for pension and NHIC - will these both be backdated to day 1 of my first contract?
in other words, will i be entitled to pension payments for 1st year, and would i be liable to pay NHIC contributions for 1st year?
thanks for any answers
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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can anyone advise please?
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OculisOrbis

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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:42 am Post subject: |
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do you want it to be retro to the start of your first contract? |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Backdating Pension, Tax and NHIC? |
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depth wrote: |
im starting at a new hogwan for my 2nd year. im wondering, if i now apply for pension and NHIC - will these both be backdated to day 1 of my first contract? |
1) regarding pension, why not get the pension paid into your account? Yes, you'll have to fork over your portion of the money, but in doing so you automatically double it because the school must add in their portion. I always look at it as free money. You won't be forced to pay it now that you no longer work for them, but why pass up 1+ mill?
2) regarding NHIC, no it won't be backdated. If you were extending your visa with the SAME school, yes, it would be backdated to the beginning of the visa with that school. But you will be working with a new school under a new contract, so you won't be expected to backpay all those premiums.
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will i be entitled to pension payments for 1st year |
You are always entitled to pension. Just file for it. However, the pension office will require you to pay your portion of the premiums to your school FIRST. Once they have the money, the pension office will then go after the school and collect BOTH your and their contributions. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:21 am Post subject: |
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Young FRANKenstein,
thank you for the help.
can i please ask,
if my new school contract does not include pension and NHIC....CAN i still claim pension for 1st year,? and what happens regarding NHIC for the 2nd contract?
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OculisOrbis

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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:19 am Post subject: |
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assuming you are on an e-2 visa, you are required by law to be enrolled and contribute to both health and pension - regardless of what your contract says.
also, if you actually convince/force your employer to enroll you, make sure you call to verify the amount of income they are reporting for you and to make sure they making the contributions. contributions for pension are usually made quarterly.
many employers will under report your income by more than half, reducing the contributions ie their expense, but will continue to take deductions based on the full income. essentially, they are stealing from you and commiting fraud to the government.
dont take their word on anything, always verify it yourself. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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depth wrote: |
if my new school contract does not include pension and NHIC....CAN i still claim pension for 1st year,? |
Yes. The pension office and NHIC office are separate and the laws governing one do not impinge on the other.
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and what happens regarding NHIC for the 2nd contract? |
You are obligated by law (or rather your school is obligated by law) to enroll you in BOTH pension and NHIC. They are mandatory and you can't opt out of them.
Your last school broke both laws when they didn't enroll you. When you go after them for your year of pension, they may get a mite angry when they find out they're going to be fined several million for breaking the pension laws. My last uni got fined 5 million for refusing to enroll me (I asked several times and even showed them the Korean pension laws; they still refused). Then when three other co-workers saw I got my money, they filed for theirs too and the uni got fined another 5 million EACH. So they ended up paying about 5 million in pension and an additional 20 million in fines (or thereabouts). Sucks to be them. |
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