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RJjr



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:54 am    Post subject: Geither laughed at by Peking University students Reply with quote

"Chinese assets are very safe," Geithner said in response to a question after a speech at Peking University, where he studied Chinese as a student in the 1980s.

His answer drew loud laughter from his student audience, reflecting scepticism in China about the wisdom of a developing country accumulating a vast stockpile of foreign reserves instead of spending the money to raise living standards at home.

The Beijing-based Global Times greeted Geithner by publishing a survey of Chinese economists who called big holdings of U.S. debt "risky."

http://www.gata.org/node/7461

The U.S. needs a higher savings rate and a smaller deficit on the current account, which is the broadest measure of trade, or �another financial crisis triggered by a dollar crisis could be inevitable,� the Chinese academic said.

Referring to the Federal Reserve �as the world�s biggest junk investor,� and to Chairman Ben S. Bernanke as �helicopter Ben,� Yu said the Fed has dropped �tons of money from the sky since the subprime crisis.�

�The balance sheet of the Federal Reserve not only has expanded like mad but is also ridden with �rubbish� assets,� he said

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/06/former-chinese-central-bank-advisor.html
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let them laugh. And good luck trying to get rid of ~2 trillion USD and starting over. Rolling Eyes Basically the Chinese owe everything they have to American demand of all their cheap, crappy products; and they owe us in turn, at the end of the day, to spend that money on American goods and services and keep trade balanced. If they don't like it, too bad. They won't be laughing for long if the dollar crashes, their economy will come tumbling right after.
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mises



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I laugh any time he or Obama or whoever else (Barney Frank is quite good for this) open their mouths and mumble about the economy.

"We have a strong dollar policy". Ha. Hang him by his thumbs.
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mole



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't find it laughable. How long will the Chinese continue to cater to US?
How long can our representative government get away with [misleading] them?
The attitude that we'll just take China down along with us certainly isn't a noble one.
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mises



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

China is in a tough spot, but I don't think she is without exits.

Already she is moving towards short term T's, away from long, which looks like a move to flexibility. They may be planning an out.

I suspect they'll continue pile up gold, Euro's and others for a while until they are sufficiently satisfied that a dollar collapse won't totally screw them. The CCP is a long-term orientated organization, unlike the governments in the US.
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Hater Depot



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
"We have a strong dollar policy". Ha. Hang him by his thumbs.


What else is any politician going to say? Few people understand why a strong dollar isn't always desirable.

Maybe a name change is in order. From now on, strong currencies will be known as Cheez Doodles, and weak ones as Pringles. The nation should find it easier to debate Cheez Doodles vs. Pringles.
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RJjr



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

visitorq wrote:
they owe us in turn, at the end of the day, to spend that money on American goods and services and keep trade balanced.


What do we produce that we can sell them? Mail order brides would probably be a winner, but aside from that? Very Happy

Our labor costs are so high and China's are so low, it prevents us from exporting much to them. Unless it's something that China can't produce on it's own (white and black women Laughing and a few other things), we'll never be able to export much to them unless our labor costs become equal to or less than theirs. We're just not price competitive on most things.


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RJjr



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
I laugh any time he or Obama or whoever else (Barney Frank is quite good for this) open their mouths and mumble about the economy.

"We have a strong dollar policy". Ha. Hang him by his thumbs.


To their credit, the Peking U students are smart enough to get the joke. When Geither, Frank, Obama, or whoever else talks to us, we mouthbreath with a dumb look on our faces and nod our heads.
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Rusty Shackleford



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RJjr wrote:
visitorq wrote:
they owe us in turn, at the end of the day, to spend that money on American goods and services and keep trade balanced.


What do we produce that we can sell them? Mail order brides would probably be a winner, but aside from that? Very Happy

Our labor costs are so high and China's are so low, it prevents us from exporting much to them. Unless it's something that China can't produce on it's own (white and black women Laughing and a few other things), we'll never be able to export much to them unless our labor costs become equal to or less than theirs. We're just not price competitive on most things.


Why not try for productivity over low labor costs? Something the U.S has, traditionally been very good at. That would require the O.B admin to encourage capital accumulation over capital consumption/destruction, though. Can't see that happening.
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rollo



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

China produces no hi-tech goods! it pirates western tech and that is of very poor quality so they need U.S. technology badly. As far as Peking University students they actually know very little about economics or what is going on in the world. They have been told that everything is fine in China and the U.S. is headed for destuction. The chinese economy is faltering badly at this time. I agree with much of what is said about how the U.S needs to change its debt to savings ratio. I do believe that some steps have been taken in that direction. On the collapse of the dollar I dont believe we are near that point yet.
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mises



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As far as Peking University students they actually know very little about economics or what is going on in the world.


This is untrue. Some of my peers in grad school were undergrads from there. Very sophisticated people, on balance.

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They have been told that everything is fine in China and the U.S. is headed for destuction.


With the Chinese, it is very difficult to get past their nationalism. They will defend the homeland in front of the non-Chinese until they die. But they are not naive to the nature of their government.

The US could very well be headed for some sketchy stuff. But China is not an island of stability.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
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As far as Peking University students they actually know very little about economics or what is going on in the world.


This is untrue. Some of my peers in grad school were undergrads from there. Very sophisticated people, on balance.

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They have been told that everything is fine in China and the U.S. is headed for destuction.


With the Chinese, it is very difficult to get past their nationalism. They will defend the homeland in front of the non-Chinese until they die. But they are not naive to the nature of their government.

The US could very well be headed for some sketchy stuff. But China is not an island of stability.


Yup, agree. Some of the strongest econ students in my program are from China. None went to Peking University (most are from Shanghai or Guangzhou), but I doubt PU students would be inferior.

And also agree about the nationalism and naive comment.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
mises wrote:
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As far as Peking University students they actually know very little about economics or what is going on in the world.


This is untrue. Some of my peers in grad school were undergrads from there. Very sophisticated people, on balance.

Quote:
They have been told that everything is fine in China and the U.S. is headed for destuction.


With the Chinese, it is very difficult to get past their nationalism. They will defend the homeland in front of the non-Chinese until they die. But they are not naive to the nature of their government.

The US could very well be headed for some sketchy stuff. But China is not an island of stability.


Yup, agree. Some of the strongest econ students in my program are from China. None went to Peking University (most are from Shanghai or Guangzhou), but I doubt PU students would be inferior.

And also agree about the nationalism and naive comment.


You're right, BB, Beida has a fine reputation.

The nianqing generation, the one that came to the age of reason after Tiananmen, is extremely nationalistic. But those over 34 or so (the Tiananmen incident will have happened 20 years ago tomorrow) are merely reasonably patriotic: they understand that the Chinese gov't works for the Chinese gov't.

I've also found there are a lot of GMD descendants who are highly educated and thus in elite positions. Their grandparents and great-grandparents experienced atrocities at the hands of the Communists, and they have not forgotten.

But none of these caveats mean affection for US monetary policy.

Hater Depot wrote:
Few people understand why a strong dollar isn't always desirable.


True, but a weak dollar absolutely screws the Chinese public. And how much trash talking have we heard from the Dems on how we borrow from China? I believe Bill Clinton, of all people, started this meme a few years ago.

Most of China is very poor, and here the United States is inflating the value of the dollar. Its pure bullshite, plain and simple. And then to watch Pelosi come over to China and congratulate Hu Jintao and the CCP for lifting the Chinese out of poverty . . . it makes me sick to my stomach to see American officials so oblivious to the irony.
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RJjr wrote:
visitorq wrote:
they owe us in turn, at the end of the day, to spend that money on American goods and services and keep trade balanced.


What do we produce that we can sell them? Mail order brides would probably be a winner, but aside from that? Very Happy

Our labor costs are so high and China's are so low, it prevents us from exporting much to them. Unless it's something that China can't produce on it's own (white and black women Laughing and a few other things), we'll never be able to export much to them unless our labor costs become equal to or less than theirs. We're just not price competitive on most things.

Well then too damn bad for China! Confused I don't deny our side is in part to blame for spending beyond our means etc., but then China and the others are equally to blame for selling so much to us. They are export based countries that exist solely to make our stuff (they're too poor to spur the demand themselves), and they've done it to their own great benefit (double digit growth etc.).
Now that the American economy is faltering they want to place the blame solely on us (Chinese nationalism is extremely irritating to me). Well screw em I say. If they don't like doing transactions with a fiat currency, nobody put a gun to their head... They could've demanded all transactions for goods to the US be paid in gold -- but then their miserable, backward economy would never have taken off.

So basically they got to grow at double digits for a decade because of American (and Western) demand, and now they're stuck with a bunch of green paper. Well, either they find a way to spend it (which ultimately benefits the US no matter what) or lose it and have to start over from scratch... Serves them right either way.
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rollo



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mises with all due respect to you on this issue. You certainly know a lot more bout economics than I do. The students that attended graduate school with you are the elite. Mostly they did not attend regular schools but often had private tutors or attended school abroad. I worked with a graduate of peking University and he was stunned to learn that Tokyo was in japan. What I was refering to was the average student.

Poverty in China is not caused by U.S. monetary policy. A look at Chinese policy would show that U.s. policy is in response to the Chinese keeping the Yuan at an artiical low.
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