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YLWRocketMan
Joined: 14 May 2009
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 Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:42 am Post subject: Coming to Korea with Notice of Appointment/Contract, no E2 |
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| I've read a few threads about coming to Korea without a E2 VISA and it seems like it is not a good idea, but the recruiter i am talking to says i can come to Korea since i have my Notice of Appointment with EPIK and my contract, even though i dont have my E2 VISA. They say that they will change my situation once i arrive, and that this is not illegal since i have these documents. Any advice? It doesn't sound like a good plan to me. |
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Korussian
Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Coming to Korea with Notice of Appointment/Contract, no |
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| YLWRocketMan wrote: |
| I've read a few threads about coming to Korea without a E2 VISA and it seems like it is not a good idea, but the recruiter i am talking to says i can come to Korea since i have my Notice of Appointment with EPIK and my contract, even though i dont have my E2 VISA. They say that they will change my situation once i arrive, and that this is not illegal since i have these documents. Any advice? It doesn't sound like a good plan to me. |
Tell your recruiter:
"Hey, sounds great. I'll just write down your name, address and phone number, and when I arrive at the airport immigration desk in Korea, I'll tell them I'm there to start working without a work VISA in-hand, but don't worry because my recruiter promised it's OK. He said he recommends this for foreigners all the time. Here are my recruiter's contact details". |
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OculisOrbis
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| get your visa before you buy your plane ticket, but please tell your recruiter what korussian told you and report back to us with his response. |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Are you perhaps of Korean parentage? |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| The OP didn't say anything about working without an E-2. There's nothing wrong with entering K-land on a tourist visa, then doing a visa run for the E-2 before starting work. |
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greasypeanut
Joined: 28 Apr 2009
Location: songtan
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| if you have ur notice of appointment, and contract why dont u just get ur visa? thats all i had to submit to get my visa, and i only got it a week ago. took them just one business day to have it ready for me |
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dean_burrito
Joined: 12 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| cruisemonkey wrote: |
| The OP didn't say anything about working without an E-2. There's nothing wrong with entering K-land on a tourist visa, then doing a visa run for the E-2 before starting work. |
I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure that your first visa must be gotten from within your native country. Sounds funny they would fly him here then right back to finish the process.
My friend got a job with GEPIK from inside the country. He started working before he got his visa. Then the school decided that he had to pay back a month's salary because he was being paid illegally. He eventually got things sorted out but it was a difficult process. At any rate it's not a good idea to take on shortcut to employment. You'll be the one getting screwed over in the end. |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:47 am Post subject: |
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Where did the OP say it will be his first E-2?
Even if it will be, he could have his degree verified by the KCUE and be able to do a visa run to a third country. |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:52 am Post subject: |
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OP doesn't say what country he's from. But here's the info from the Korean American Consulate site for an E2 visa for EPIK:
http://www.koreanconsulate.org/inc.php?inc=80100&ln=en
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※ In the case of EPIK(English Program in Korea) applicant
- A passport
- A completed visa application form
- A photo(2"�2" size, taken within the last 6 months)
- A notice of appointment
- An employment contract
* For further information, please refer to http://www.epik.go.kr/
* A visa interview is waved for EPIK, TaLK applicants.
◈ In principle, other nationals must submit the application to a Korean Embassy or Consulate General located in their home countries. In the following cases, however, on an exceptional basis, the application might be received;
A) If the applicant has worked in Korea as a professor(E-1), foreign language instructor(E-2), or Researcher(E-3), and has abided by the Korean laws and regulations faithfully(no criminal record)
B) If the applicant's educational level and career have been verified by a relevant verification agency(the Korean Council for University Education) that was established based on Law on Korean University Education Association.
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"the application might be received"... where???
Call your consulate for clarification and definitely have it straightened out before you buy a plane ticket. |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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OP,
While it's possible (and legal) to come to K-land without an E-2, it's not possible to work (legally); and it's not a 'wise move' on your part. Why would you do it? What possible reason would a public employer have to request this?
If I were you, I'd be very suspicious of my recruiter. |
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YLWRocketMan
Joined: 14 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you all for your responses.
Yes this has made me suspicious of my recruiter. They told me to send all my documents for the E2 VISA to their office in Korea and they then sent me my Notice of Appointment and Contract. They said i just needed to take these documents along with my passport to the consulate and i would get my VISA. But when i went to the consulate, the VISA officer said i needed to show them all my documents (which i sent to Korea). When i told my recruiter what happened they were embarrassed and said that the consulate should have given me my VISA with just the Notice of Appointment and Contract. I told them that i could get extra copies of all my documents and go in and get the VISA (although i was reluctant because of extra cost and the fact that they told me to send them to Korea in the first place), but they said i can just come to Korea and get the VISA there. And judging by the responses here i am not going to do that.
The whole situation was kind of suspicious to begin with as i was offered the position to teach with EPIC in Chungnam with no interview. |
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dean_burrito
Joined: 12 Jun 2007
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Now the advice we gave is just advice. It also comes down to how important is this particular job and how fast do want to be in Korea. If you do come to Korea with this school try to get something in writing stating that you won't have to work till you get the visa. Make sure they pay for the flight too.
Then once you are Korea you'll get a second vacation to Japan. Not a bad deal. Just make certain they will still give a first working visa outside of your native country. I'm sure someone else will give you that answer soon enough.
I got suckered in to coming here and working without a visa as many did and the free trip to Japan helped make me feel better about it all. I must admit too that I nearly said eff it and stayed in Japan. What a fun place. |
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greasypeanut
Joined: 28 Apr 2009
Location: songtan
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:08 am Post subject: |
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| YLWRocketMan wrote: |
Thank you all for your responses.
Yes this has made me suspicious of my recruiter. They told me to send all my documents for the E2 VISA to their office in Korea and they then sent me my Notice of Appointment and Contract. They said i just needed to take these documents along with my passport to the consulate and i would get my VISA. But when i went to the consulate, the VISA officer said i needed to show them all my documents (which i sent to Korea). When i told my recruiter what happened they were embarrassed and said that the consulate should have given me my VISA with just the Notice of Appointment and Contract. I told them that i could get extra copies of all my documents and go in and get the VISA (although i was reluctant because of extra cost and the fact that they told me to send them to Korea in the first place), but they said i can just come to Korea and get the VISA there. And judging by the responses here i am not going to do that.
The whole situation was kind of suspicious to begin with as i was offered the position to teach with EPIC in Chungnam with no interview. |
did u make sure to tell the consulate that u got a job with epik? cuz the consulate in los angeles, told me the exact same thing they told you, that i needed all those documents and an interview. but once i told them that i got a job with gepik, they said nm and to just come with the NoA and contract. |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| They said i just needed to take these documents along with my passport to the consulate and i would get my VISA. But when i went to the consulate, the VISA officer said i needed to show them all my documents (which i sent to Korea). When i told my recruiter what happened they were embarrassed and said that the consulate should have given me my VISA with just the Notice of Appointment and Contract. |
According to the Consulate website, your recruiter is correct and if they are embarrassed, it is for the consulate people who are wrong. You shouldn't need the stuff you sent the recruiter, only the things listed in my previous post--passport, passport photo, NoA, contract, visa application.
The visa application:
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o A completed visa application form
☞ Please click here(MS-Word) (pdf) to download the form |
Where exactly are you, and which Consulate is this that is dicking you around? Print out the page on their website and show them they are WRONG.
Sorry for the redundancy, but I keep telling everyone to KEEP COPIES of ALL your documents before you send them off to anyone. Scan them into your computer/laptops and make hard copies to carry along to the consulate and to Korea with you. Even go so far as to leave extra copies at home with someone that can send them to you for future reference if the need may be. |
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YLWRocketMan
Joined: 14 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:27 am Post subject: |
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I have been dealing with the consulate in Vancouver, BC. Their website seems to state that i do need to show them all of my documents to get the VISA even with the Notice of Appointment and Contract. Although my recruiter thinks the VISA officers might just be more strict now possibly due to Swine Flu.
I assume the VISA officers realized that i was hired through EPIK since it states that on the Notice of Appointment, but maybe i should go back in for a third try. The whole process seems very flawed though, as i went in to the consulate to get them to stamp my documents before i sent them to Korea and now they want my documents back here. I do have copies of everything but my transcript, but it is easy enough to order another one of those.
Thanks again for the help and advice |
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