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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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I find it interesting that he said the United States is not a Christian nation. Then, he says that the U.S. is one of the largets muslim countries in the world.
Well, at least I did nto vote for this clown.
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by saying those things, wasn't he pointing to america being a land where everyone is free to worship any religion they like, or not to worship at all if that is their fancy?
and anyway the u.s. is not a christian nation. and he did not say the u.s. was one of the largest muslim countries. there is a difference between saying a country has a sizable muslim population and saying the country itself is muslim.
you are consistently this boards laziest poster. |
laziest? you're nicer than I am 
And estimates of the # of Muslims in the United States range from 2 million to 5 million. No one knows the exact number.
And no, we're not a christian nation, as much as some people want us to be. |
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RufusW
Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:24 am Post subject: |
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The following are a few of these disputed estimates:
* 1.1 million (2001) City University of New York - American Religious Identification Survey [0.5% of national adult population]
* 1.6 million (2000) Glenmary Research Center [0.5% of national population]
* 1.8 million (2007) 0.6% of population (2007 est.) The World Factbook
* 1.9 million (2001) American Jewish Committee [0.6% of national population]
* 2.0 million (2000) Hartford Institute for Religious Research [0.7% of national population]
* 2.4 million (2007) Pew Research Center
* 4.7 million (2005) Encyclop�dia Britannica Book of the Year [1.5% of national population]
* 6-7 million (2001) Council on American-Islamic Relations - The Mosque in America: A National Portrait
* 6.7 million (1997) J. Ilyas Ba-Yunus [2.2% of national population]
* 7 to 8 million (2008) Newsweek |
From Wikipedia which has the sources.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:15 am Post subject: |
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ubermenzch wrote:
dmbfan wrote:
I find it interesting that he said the United States is not a Christian nation. Then, he says that the U.S. is one of the largets muslim countries in the world.
Well, at least I did nto vote for this clown.
dmbfan
by saying those things, wasn't he pointing to america being a land where everyone is free to worship any religion they like, or not to worship at all if that is their fancy?
and anyway the u.s. is not a christian nation. and he did not say the u.s. was one of the largest muslim countries. there is a difference between saying a country has a sizable muslim population and saying the country itself is muslim.
you are consistently this boards laziest poster.
laziest? you're nicer than I am
And estimates of the # of Muslims in the United States range from 2 million to 5 million. No one knows the exact number.
And no, we're not a christian nation, as much as some people want us to be |
Ah, bucheon bum...just...shut up. Nobody cares about you.
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Ah, bucheon bum...just...shut up. Nobody cares about you.
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I enjoy his posts. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| An article on Muslim reaction to Obama's speech. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, bucheon bum...just...shut up. Nobody cares about you.
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I enjoy his posts. |
Yeah, me too. |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Doesn't surprise me, either of you. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| An article on Muslim reaction to Obama's speech. |
Whose speech really was it?
Just Like Bush
by Michael Crowley
Obama used the same rhetoric as his predecessor. So why was he so much more effective?
Post Date June 4, 2009
Cairo, Egypt -
One year ago today, Barack Obama clinched the Democratic Party's presidential nomination. In doing so, he defied Hillary Clinton's criticism that his candidacy amounted to little more than shallow and flowery speeches. Change, Clinton argued, comes from hard work--not pretty words. Today, in the Grand Hall of Cairo University, Clinton listened from the front row as Obama gave his most elegant speech yet. Perhaps it dawned on Clinton, if it hadn't already, that a great speech can do a lot of the hard work for you.
In some ways, Obama's speech was anticlimactic. He said nothing terribly surprising, broke no new intellectual or policy ground. This was another one in a familiar series of Obama addresses seeking "common ground," just as he did between pro-lifers and pro-choicers at Notre Dame last month, and just as he did in his March 2008 speech about the "common hopes" of whites and blacks in Philadelphia.
But in fact, much of Obama's speech had a different sort of familiar ring. Most of his main arguments have been made before--not just by Obama himself, but by his predecessor. "Today I'd like to speak directly to the people across the broader Middle East," George W. Bush said at the United Nations on September 16, 2006. Like Obama, Bush explained that the United States is not at war with Islam. Like Obama, Bush said that America respects the history and traditions of the Muslim world. Like Obama, Bush deplored the September 11 attacks and vowed to fight the tiny minority of Islamic extremists. Bush also assured his audience that "freedom, by its nature, cannot be imposed. It must be chosen;" Obama said that "no system of government can or should be imposed upon one nation by any other." Bush lamented the "daily humiliation of occupation" suffered by the Palestinians; Obama said the Palestinians "endure the daily humiliations... that come with occupation." Bush assured Iran that he did not oppose their use of peaceful nuclear power; so did Obama.
Bush's 2006 speech, of course, was immediately forgotten--a non-event with no impact on America's image abroad. But Obama's seems to offer the potential of making millions of Muslims reconsider their view of America. There is no novel way to restate the obvious reason for this: Obama is not Bush. He speaks without a foreign invasion on his resume, and with a reputation for honesty and decency. He writes and speaks on a higher intellectual and rhetorical level than Bush. (Today's speech, of which he was said to be the primary author, may have been his best piece of writing yet.) And above all, he is a black man with Muslim heritage, as he explained in the speech's emotional and symbolic highlight: "I'm a Christian, but my father came from a Kenyan family that includes generations of Muslims," Obama said. "As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and at the fall of dusk. As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in their Muslim faith."
full article at link |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20100603/wl_mcclatchy/3524973
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Muslim praise for Obama dries up a year after Cairo speech
CAIRO , Egypt_A year ago Friday, President Barack Obama stood in Cairo and vowed "a new beginning" in a speech about how he'd change U.S. relations with the Muslim world. Egyptian vendors sold T-shirts portraying Obama in King Tut regalia, and Muslims throughout the region thrilled at his middle name: Hussein.
Now, many Muslims in Egypt and the rest of the Middle East say they're dismayed that the promise of the speech has fizzled into U.S. policy-as-usual toward the region: civilian deaths in Afghanistan , an unstable Iraq , no pressure for reforms on Washington -friendly autocrats, no resolution for Guantanamo prisoners and no end in sight for the Israel-Palestinian conflict.
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"His speech at Cairo University was wonderful and raised hopes that America was on a real path to changing its policies," said Hassan Nafaa , a political science professor at Cairo University , where Obama spoke. "But Obama's practices afterwards guaranteed that he is weaker than he seemed during his speech."
Gallup surveys conducted between February and April of this year showed a dramatic decline in Arab countries' approval ratings of the U.S. administration. In Egypt , where he delivered the speech, the poll showed that Obama's popularity dropped by 18 percentage points. While some Middle Easterners said it was unfair to judge the president so early on issues that have persisted for decades, others said they definitely expected more in the year since his oratory olive branch to Muslims.
"There were a lot of illusions about Obama because he has African and Muslim roots," said Aya Mahmoud , 22, a student at Cairo University . "Turns out the speech was all just hype."
The White House is well aware of the level of frustration in the region, having monitored U.S. policy steps since the Cairo speech as well as how Muslims in the United States and abroad perceive those efforts.
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The administration also continues to support the autocratic rulers in Egypt , Jordan and the Gulf countries, a fact widely noted by Arab commentators. In Central Asia , U.S.-led military operations in Afghanistan and Pakistan have killed Muslim civilians, drumming up support for militants.
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Did Barry really think that giving a speech would accomplish something? Yes, he did. He believes that there is no problem too big or small that can't be solved with Soaring Rhetoric.
Here's what we know:
1) They hate America because America kills so many of them.
2) This hate rests on top of a bed of religious-supremacist sentiment. |
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